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An Arm and a Leg

An Arm and a Leg

An Arm and a Leg

Documentary, Health & Fitness, Medicine, Society & Culture

4.81.1K Ratings

Overview

An Arm and a Leg is a podcast about why health care costs so freaking much and what we can (maybe) do about it. If you’ve ever been surprised by a medical bill, you’re in good company. But as our team of seasoned journalists has learned from years of reporting — you’re not always helpless. We don’t have all the answers, but we’ll offer you tools and big picture insights with plenty of humor and heart.  An Arm and a Leg is co-produced with KFF Health News and distributed in partnership with KUOW. You can support An Arm and a Leg by donating at armandalegshow.com/support/ Show Credits: Created, hosted, and produced by Dan Weissmann with senior producer Emily Pisacreta and engagement producer Claire Davenport, edited by Ellen Weiss. Audio wizard: Adam Raymonda. Music is by Dave Weiner and Blue Dot Sessions. Bea Bosco is our consulting director of operations. Lynne Johnson is our operations manager.

166 Episodes

The Prescription Drug Playbook (Full Version)

While we’re busy working on some big projects this summer, we’re re-releasing some of our most ambitious and useful reporting to date.  Last year, we set out on a mission: Collect all the best advice about what to do when your prescription drugs cost more than you can afford.  Our listeners wrote to us about their experiences getting around this most demoralizing — and distinctly American — problem in order to get the medicine they need. Those responses allowed us to map a whole landscape of potential fixes — none a guaranteed solution for everyone, every time — but all worth knowing about.  In this episode, you’ll meet some of the intrepid navigators charting the path — including a dad on a mission to afford his daughter’s epilepsy medication, a Medicare coach who helps seniors save tens of thousands of dollars on meds, a pharmaceutical sales rep with a brilliant short-term fix, and other generous and smart fellow travelers.    We documented all their advice and more in our Prescription Drug Playbook.  Here’s a transcript of this episode.  Want weekly updates from the Arm and a Leg team, including more practical advice for dealing with the outrageous cost of health care? Sign up for our newsletter, First Aid Kit.  Send your stories and questions! Or call 724 ARM-N-LEG. Of course we’d love for you to support this show.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Transcribed - Published: 11 June 2026

The Chatbot Will See You Now: Big Tech In Therapy (from Organized Money)

One place you might assume is safe from prying ears is your therapy session.  But as more therapists struggle to negotiate with insurers, they’re turning to tech middlemen like BetterHelp and Headway that promise to take care of the insurance admin and match them with patients.  And these companies are sometimes recording and transcribing your sessions — and then turning around and sharing that data with social media companies and investors. And there are concerns that these confidential discussions could be used to train the next generation of chatbot therapists. So this week, we’re bringing you an episode from our pals at Organized Money, a show about corporate consolidation and monopolies, where they speak with Linda Michaels, a psychologist and co-founder of the Psychotherapy Action Network, about the tech companies sneaking into your therapy sessions and how we got here. And they share some good news: How one state, Illinois, passed a law in 2025 that could be a national model for encouraging more therapists to stay in-network, and ultimately, reduce reliance on these platforms.  For more on mental health coverage: Check out our episode about Abigail Burman, an attorney and expert on mental health “ghost networks” — lists of providers that turn out to be filled with inaccuracies, making it difficult for patients to get in-network care. Plus we have a whole guide from Burman on “ghostbusting” — AKA, getting your insurance to cover your mental health care. That’s in our First Aid Kit newsletter. Here’s a transcript of this episode. We’ll be back with more Arm and a Leg in a few weeks.  Send your stories and questions. Or call 724 ARM-N-LEG. Of course we’d love for you to support this show.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Transcribed - Published: 21 May 2026

The Supreme Court case that could slow generic drugs

It’s a case you’ve (probably) never heard of: This week, the Supreme Court is hearing oral arguments in Hikma v. Amarin — a legal battle that could impact how much you ultimately pay for prescription drugs.  Here’s why the case matters: As soon as a generic version of a brand-name drug comes to market, its price typically drops by half. Within 10 years, by more than 75%. Meaning: the sooner we have access to generics, the less we pay at the pharmacy counter.  But one of the fastest legal pathways for generic companies to get their drugs to market may be about to get a lot narrower – depending on how the court rules later this year. Amarin, a brand-name drugmaker, has accused Hikma, a generic company, of encouraging doctors to infringe on their patent for a drug called Vascepa.   The case revolves around the legal concept of skinny labels: a carveout in drug patent law that allows generic companies to bring drugs to market when one of the brand-name drug’s patents has expired, but others haven’t. And it raises the (unexpected) question of whether it’s OK for a generic drug company to call their product the generic version of something.  Legal experts help us unpack the nerdy details – including how this case came to be, and what’s at stake for both generic drug companies and anyone looking forward to one day paying less for an expensive brand-name drug.  Want to learn how these drug monopolies work – and came to be in the first place? Check out our previous episode: Why drugs cost so much, 101: Medicine monopolies Here's a copy of this episode's transcript.  Send your stories and questions. Or call 724 ARM-N-LEG. And of course we’d love for you to support this show.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Transcribed - Published: 27 April 2026

Why drugs cost so much, 101: Medicine monopolies

We’re always asking: Why do drugs cost so freaking much?  And it’s a complicated question. There are a bunch of reasons — to be sure. But in our reporting over the years, like our stories on insulin and tuberculosis drugs, experts cited one big reason over and over again:  The pharmaceutical industry wages sophisticated legal battles to keep monopoly control over their best selling, most lucrative drugs — blocking generic competition, and increasing their prices along the way.  How did it come to be this way?  In this first episode of a new series – what we’re calling An Arm and a Leg 101 – we’re doing a crash course in the history of the drug patent system. And the rags-to-riches story of one amazing guy is going to help us do it.  Al Engelberg got schooled in the Art of the Hustle at a young age, collecting dimes at an illegal bingo game on the Atlantic City boardwalk.  Later, he’d put those street smarts to use as he sat at the negotiation table in Washington D.C., hashing out the details of a law that would usher in the generic drug industry as we know it. Then made millions from the rules he helped write. And as he admits, his legacy is mixed.  On the one hand: The rules Al Engelberg helped write — a grand bargain between generic drugmakers and patent-holding brand pharma companies— unleashed the power of generic drugs to save Americans money.  Nine out of ten prescriptions written today get filled with a generic. On the other hand: In the process of making his fortune, Al Engelberg discovered loopholes, gaps, and perverse incentives in that grand bargain.  Gaps that allowed brand and generic drugmakers to profit by keeping generics for many hit drugs off the market.   So we now spend more than ever on medicine — and more than 20 percent of Americans report skipping their medication because they can’t afford it.  Al Engelberg, now 86, has spent the last 30 years — and millions of his own dollars — trying to close those gaps.  “I live in a world — a pharma world — where half the people think I’m dead, and the other half wish I was,” he tells us.  You can read more of Al’s story — plus his prescription for fixing the crisis of high drug prices — in his book, Breaking the Medicine Monopolies: Reflections of a Generic Drug Pioneer. And you can hear our earlier reporting on drug patents here: John Green vs. Johnson & Johnson (part 1) John Green vs. Johnson & Johnson (part 2) The surprising history behind insulin's absurd price (and some hopeful signs in the wild) Here's a copy of this episode's transcript.  Send your stories and questions. Or call 724 ARM-N-LEG. And of course we’d love for you to support this show. An Arm and a Leg 101 is made possible in part by support from Arnold Ventures.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Transcribed - Published: 9 April 2026

‘Not workable’: How two Americans picked a plan this year — or didn’t

This year, the price of health insurance increased dramatically for millions of people. Tens of millions. Obamacare subsidies shrunk, and premiums skyrocketed.  People asked themselves: how on earth am I supposed to make this work?  Two of those folks — attorney Nicole Wipp and skate-shop owner Noah Hulsman — tell the story of how they chose among lousy options. Nicole chose to dump health insurance altogether — even though she could have found a way to pay for it. Noah chose to pay for coverage that sucks, because it’s all he can afford.  Each made their choice in the context of their broader stories: Noah is deeply rooted in Louisville, KY, and lives about a mile from where his grandmother started Louisville’s first skate shop, around the time he was born. Nicole’s story includes an expensive, life-threatening medical adventure a decade ago — and a series of choices that’s taken her family from Michigan to Hawaii to South Carolina.  Reporters with KFF Health News have been talking with dozens of people all over the country about these kinds of choices for their series on the health insurance crisis, Priced Out. KFF Health News senior correspondent Renuka Rayasam, who introduced us to Nicole and Noah after writing about their stories, joins us to reflect on what these stories mean.  Read more of Renuka Rayasam’s reporting: When Health Insurance Costs More Than the Mortgage It’s 2026 and You’re Uninsured. Now What? See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Transcribed - Published: 19 March 2026

The EpiPen and Food Allergies (from Drug Story)

Hey, first! We’re looking for your help. Can you take a couple minutes and fill out our Audience Survey?  We’re dying to know more about the community that’s using this show — and about what’s working for you and what you’d like to see. Let us know! Today we’re switching it up. We’re sharing an episode from the new podcast Drug Story. In each episode, science journalist and self-described “public health nerd” Thomas Goetz goes deep on the story of a single drug — what it treats, how it came to be, and what it reveals about the business of health and disease.  On this episode: the EpiPen, a device you’ll find in classrooms, on airplanes, in glove compartments — basically everywhere — because the EpiPen can be a literal life-saver for people with severe allergies. And of course, the EpiPen is also one of the most infamous examples of pharmaceutical profiteering gone bananas.  That part of the story makes us especially geeked to share this episode.  And there are more threads here — on the drug’s discovery, on the science of severe food allergies, and on what researchers have learned about preventing them — that Goetz does a great job of weaving together.  If you like it, new episodes of Drug Story come out every week.  We’ll be back with more Arm and a Leg in a few weeks. Meanwhile, don’t forget to help us by filling out our quick survey. Here’s a transcript of this episode. Send your stories and questions. Or call 724 ARM-N-LEG. Of course we’d love for you to support this show.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Transcribed - Published: 26 February 2026

NYT’s Ron Lieber: ‘These people are not going to win.'

Thirty-six hours before his wife was scheduled for a major surgery, New York Times personal finance columnist Ron Lieber got a letter in the mail that sent him reeling.  Insurance was denying prior authorization for the surgery. The only way forward would be to appeal the decision. But it was Saturday night, and the surgery was Monday morning. There wouldn’t be any time. Should they even go to the hospital? They decided to bet on being able to reverse the denial later on, but the last minute coverage  questions left Ron’s wife, New York Times reporter Jodi Kantor, going into surgery that Monday with a brand new sense of stress and anxiety.  And along with worrying how his wife's surgery would go (spoiler: it was successful), and whether they’d end up on the hook for a bajillion dollars, it left Ron to wonder why no one had given them a heads-up earlier. He set out to find answers — and whether there might be a way to prevent these last-minute denials from sneaking up on other people.  Ron turned to his "Your Money" newsletter subscribers for ideas, and eventually published a draft letter in his New York Times column that doctors and other health care providers could give their patients to better prepare them for insurance curveballs.  Check out the column here – and consider passing it along to any health care workers whose patients you think might benefit.  Here’s a transcript of this episode.  Send your stories and questions. Or call 724 ARM-N-LEG. Of course we’d love for you to support this show. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Transcribed - Published: 5 February 2026

'Sh**’s wild': Scaling up, doubling down, and buckling in

For five years, we’ve been following the work of Dollar For and its founder Jared Walker, watching them quickly scale up their efforts to help people crush medical debt by tapping into “charity care” — the financial assistance that hospitals are legally required to offer some patients.  Their work represents what a small, scrappy, thoughtful group of people can do. Last year, their tiny staff helped wipe out more than $55 million in medical bills.  As we kick off 2026, we thought it was time to check in again. After all, this will be a year when millions more people will have trouble covering their medical bills — when Dollar For’s work may become more important to more people, and when we’re hungry for more ways to help each other.  As Jared tells it, 2025 proved to be a pivotal – yet rocky – period in the organization’s story. Both their successes and their challenges put into stark relief exactly what we’re all up against.  So we go deep with Jared on what they achieved while they weathered the chaos, and what it might mean for their – and our collective – next moves.   Here's a transcript of this episode.  Check out our Starter Pack: How to wipe out your bill with charity care. And our previous coverage of Dollar For: Could billions in medical debt get zapped by the legal strategy from this 60-second video? (2021) We talked to Jared just weeks after Dollar For first went viral. The group’s early history — they’d been working locally for years — is fascinating. Badass volunteers help Jared level up, in the fight to crush medical debt (2021) Within six months, they’d recruited volunteers and built systems.  The Medical Bill “Negotiation Lab” (2022) In an experiment aimed at scaling up impact, Dollar For tried a different approach in 2022. We sat in. One last tip before 2024 (2023) Why Jared thinks you should ask for “charity care” by name -- even though, let’s face it, asking for “charity” does not feel good to most of us. New lessons from the fight for charity care (2024) Dollar For spent 2024 focusing on the big picture and starting to focus on policy advocacy. Check out our history of charity care series (from 2021):  A legendary lawyer sued hospitals for price-gouging their patients. And got his butt handed to him. Dickie Scruggs is the guy who beat Big Tobacco. But when he took on hospitals, he lost. The wild backstory of a tiny but crucial Obamacare provision (ft. David Axelrod) Charity care wasn’t part of federal law until the Affordable Care Act passed. A Republican senator made sure it was part of the ACA — before deciding he wouldn’t vote for the law. “We just kept right on pushing” … and laws changed In New York, a grieving family’s story made headlines and helped advocates catch lawmakers’ attention. Wait, that was legal until now?! In 2021, Maryland barred hospitals from suing patients who qualified for charity care. Send your stories and questions. Or call 724 ARM-N-LEG. Of course we’d love for you to support this show. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Transcribed - Published: 15 January 2026

Our favorite project of 2025 levels up – and you can help

Hey, first!  If you value what we do, we need your support to keep it going in 2026.  We have SO much work ahead, and we can’t do it without you.   Every little bit counts. Here’s where you can chip in. Thank you SO much! Our listeners have been teaming up on an incredible project – kicked off earlier this year by a med student named Thomas Sanford.  The idea: create a list of reliable resources to help with medical expenses and avoid debt, and circulate it where people might find it useful, like hospital waiting rooms.  In this episode, we hear how that project is ready to level up – and how you can bring it to people in your community.  Here’s how to help:  Send this link to anyone you think might need it: armandalegshow.com/help  Or go here to print it out, post it, pass it around, customize it for your community, or join with other volunteers: armandalegshow.com/helpers See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Transcribed - Published: 29 December 2025

Some more things that didn’t suck in 2025

Hey, first!  If you value what we do, this is the best-ever time to support our work. We have SO much work ahead in 2026. Donate here. We’re back for another look at things that – believe it or not – did NOT suck in 2025.  Specifically: new state laws from around the country aimed at protecting people from things like medical debt, insurance delays and denials, and corporate profiteering.   In this episode, we dive into two examples from opposite sides of the country to look at how laws like these get made – and in some cases, defended.  In Maine, lawmakers unanimously voted to remove medical debts from people’s credit reports. While a nationwide court ruling raises questions about the new law’s future, we’ll hear why consumer rights attorney Chi Chi Wu remains optimistic.   And in Oregon, a law aims to prevent big corporations and private equity firms from taking over medical clinics and strip-mining them for profits. Plus, a good-news update from our team at An Arm and a Leg.  Here's a transcript of this episode.  Send your stories and questions! Or call 724 ARM-N-LEG. And, again… we’d love for you to support this show.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Transcribed - Published: 11 December 2025

How to pick health insurance — in the worst year ever

Hey, first!  If you value what we do, this is the best-ever time to support our work:  This month, every donation gets matched two-for-one.   We have SO much work ahead in 2026. Donate here — and get your money matched two-for-one. It’s probably fair to say: this is the worst year ever for picking health insurance. Premiums are skyrocketing – whether you get insurance through work or from the Obamacare marketplace.  And with enhanced subsidies almost definitely expiring, millions of people with Obamacare plans are grappling with drastic changes to their household budgets.  We’re our own case study: You’ll hear us sorting through our own options. None of them are pretty, but because we know how to read the fine print, we figured out: Some are way, way less awful than others.  And to help you do the same: We’ve boiled down our fine-print-reading expertise in this starter pack on how to pick insurance.  Also in this episode: we talk with a listener who wonders: is paying for health insurance even worth it at this point? (Her ultimate answer: Yes, but argh.) Read Julie Appleby’s reporting for KFF Health News about what could happen if Congress changes course and extends the subsidies.  Here’s a transcript of this episode.  Send your stories and questions! Or call 724 ARM-N-LEG. And, again… we’d love for you to support this show. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Transcribed - Published: 20 November 2025

Some things that didn’t suck in 2025 (really)

Hey, first!  If you value what we do, this is the best-ever time to support our work:  This month, every donation gets matched two-for-one.   We have SO much work ahead in 2026. Head to https://armandalegshow.com/support/ to donate — and get your money matched two-for-one. This statement might shock you: some actual good things happened in 2025. Or, at least things that did not totally suck.  Stuff like: new limits on the hoops insurance companies can make you jump through, and new protections from predatory debt collectors..   These are just a couple examples of what state governments have been up to this year – in red, blue, and purple states alike.  State governments can’t do it all, but across a couple of episodes, we’ll dive into a handful of meaningful wins, and learn how they came to pass.  Today’s episode takes us to Nebraska, where the state passed aggressive new restrictions on prior authorization.  And Virginia, where lawmakers banned wage garnishment for lots of medical debts. Here's a transcript of this episode.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Transcribed - Published: 6 November 2025

This health economist wants your medical bills

Economist Vivian Ho has been researching the US health care system for four decades. These days she focuses on what she describes as the biggest burden on the average American: runaway hospital prices and rising health insurance premiums. (You know, Arm and a Leg stuff.)  And she’s developed a strategy for addressing high insurance premiums – one based on a real-life success story. So when she asked us to help her gather data for a new study, we were intrigued. We break down Vivian’s theory of change, and how sharing your medical bills with her team could help build a data arsenal for the fight ahead.  Want to share your documents with Vivian and her team?  You can find all details about how to send them here.   Here’s a transcript of this episode. Send your stories and questions! Or call 724 ARM-N-LEG. Of course we’d love for you to support this show.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Transcribed - Published: 23 October 2025

We love this listener’s project — and your response

A listener named Thomas Sanford wrote to us earlier this year, asking for help with a little DIY project. And it’s turned into the most encouraging thing we’ve seen all year. With input from the Arm and a Leg community — specifically folks who get our First Aid Kit newsletter — Thomas has drafted a one-page handout, packed with resources for anyone who needs help with medical bills. It’s ready for you to use, and he wants your help making it better.  You’ll hear all about Thomas’s story — he’s a medical resident, who started out just wanting something to hand to his own patients — in today’s mini-episode. And now you can get involved. Thomas’s current version is great — and there’s also tons of room to improve it, with your help. Print out the current version and pass it around: Download it right here. Make suggestions for the next version: Anybody can comment on this Google doc. Volunteer to pitch in: Got design skills? Editorial chops? Language skills, to translate it? Other ideas?  Here’s a sign-up form. And you can make your own adaptations! Thomas has registered it with a Creative Commons license.  This project has been incubating in our First Aid Kit newsletter. If you’re not subscribed, this is a great time to sign up.  Here’s a transcript of this episode.  Send your stories and questions! Or call 724 ARM-N-LEG. Of course we’d love for you to support this show.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Transcribed - Published: 9 October 2025

Will we be able to afford insurance in 2026?

For the first time, our senior producer, Emily, has to sign up for Obamacare. And it turns out, it’s one heck of a year to do that.  A recent headline from KFF Health News reads: “Insurers and customers brace for double whammy to Obamacare premiums.” We break down what those “whammies” might mean in dollars and cents for Emily and the millions of others signing up for Obamacare in 2026.   Plus, we cover what’s happening with ACA navigators – the people charged with helping you sign up for Obamacare, and what to expect in November when open enrollment kicks off.   Learn more about what’s coming in 2026 in our First Aid Kit newsletter.  Check out KFF’s Obamacare premium calculator.  Learn whether your state funds its own navigator program.  Read a transcript of this episode. Send your stories and questions! Or call 724 ARM-N-LEG. Of course we’d love for you to support this show.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Transcribed - Published: 18 September 2025

The Insurance Warrior battles a $61 billion company (from 2021)

Hey first! We need your help: Financial help. Donations from listeners power this show, and we’ve got a goal: 100 people making their first-ever gift, this week.  If you haven’t chipped in before, this is a great time — just click here. OK, onwards… Sharing a favorite from our archive – with lessons that are as relevant as ever.  Laurie Todd calls herself The Insurance Warrior. She fights health insurance for a living. Her speciality: writing appeals when insurance companies deny high-stakes, high-dollar treatments. Her first victory was fighting to get coverage for her own life-saving cancer surgery – which we chronicled in an episode tracing her origin story.  Since then, she says she’s notched hundreds of other victories, and outlined her strategies in two books: Fight Your Health Insurer and Win and APPROVED: Win Your Insurance Appeal in 5 Days. In this episode, we go deep on one of Laurie’s early, super-instructive cases, that taught Laurie one of the weirder truths about health insurance in America: fighting your health insurance often means fighting… your employer.  And in this case, that employer was a $61 billion company.  Want more about winning insurance appeals? Here’s our starter pack. Here is a transcript of this episode.  Send your stories and questions. Or call 724 ARM-N-LEG.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Transcribed - Published: 28 August 2025

A wild health insurance hustle

When a New York couple purchased a health insurance plan from a telemarketer, everything sounded legit. Meds, doctors, tests?  All covered. But it didn't take long for them to realize they'd been “hustled” – ending up with bills for thousands of dollars, and leaving them no choice but to skip important medical care.  In their series “Health Care Hustlers,” Bloomberg reporters Zach Mider and Zeke Faux uncover the exact nature of the scheme – how this couple, as well as thousands of others, signed up for health plans by unknowingly agreeing to work “fake jobs.”   Zach and Zeke join us to unpack the many surprising layers to this business— involving a subculture of unscrupulous telemarketers, a TV-sitcom-writer-turned-investor who masterminded the idea, and the legal gray area that allows these plans to proliferate.  Reminder: If you need to sign up for health insurance, the place to go is healthcare.gov. (As we’ve warned before: Don’t even Google it.)  No matter what, shopping for insurance requires a ton of homework. We’ve got a guide for you in this Starter Pack. Here’s a transcript of this episode.  Send your stories and questions. Or call 724 ARM-N-LEG.Of course we’d love for you to support this show.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Transcribed - Published: 7 August 2025

The great American drug shortage isn't an accident, it's artificial (from Organized Money)

As a follow-up to our series The Prescription Drug Playbook — all about how you can get the meds you need at a price you can (maybe) afford — we’re stepping back to look at the big picture.  From the start of this podcast, we’ve been trying to answer a major question: Why do my meds cost so freaking much? And we’ve highlighted the profit-seeking games that insurance, pharma, and middlemen play all around us in more than a half dozen episodes.  But there’s one set of players on the field that we’ve never talked about: drug distributors, and how they play a role in another reason you may not be able to get your medicine: drug shortages.  This story comes from our friends at Organized Money, a podcast about monopolies, from writers and journalists David Dayen and Matt Stoller.  We think you’re going to like it.  In the meantime, check out the latest installment of our First Aid Kit newsletter for a rundown of our previous coverage of drug costs.  Here’s a transcript of this episode. Send your stories and questions. Or call 724 ARM-N-LEG. Of course we’d love for you to support this show.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Transcribed - Published: 18 July 2025

The Prescription Drug Playbook, Part Two

In February, we asked you, our listeners, to share the tips, tricks, and tactics you’ve learned for getting the medicine you need at prices you can manage.  And of course some of you work in health care and have insider knowledge. Which we’re passing along in this second episode of The Prescription Drug Playbook. We’ll hear from a listener who works to help seniors find healthcare, a pharma sales rep, an employee benefits advisor, and a battle-worn hospital caseworker – all bringing something a little surprising, and possibly even life-saving to the table.  Of course—for all their advice, there is a BIG caveat: there is no one solution for everyone. This is a set of patches, workarounds, bandaids. We deserve SO much better. But in the meantime, maybe some of these tips can help.  Here’s a link to the Find a Health Center Tool that we told you about in the episode—it’s worth checking out! And here's the full drug-price song by producer Claire Davenport and some robots Find the whole Prescription Drug Playbook series – including our First Aid Kit newsletters — at armandalegshow.com/drugs Here’s a transcript of this episode.  Send your stories and questions. Or call 724 ARM-N-LEG. Of course we’d love for you to support this show.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Transcribed - Published: 30 June 2025

Trailer: The Prescription Drug Playbook

Too many of us get sticker shock when we go to pick up our meds.  We asked our listeners how they get by in this situation, and we learned dozens of tips. And in this two-part series, we’re sharing those strategies — including some advice from experts. The next episode drops June 30. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Transcribed - Published: 24 June 2025

The Prescription Drug Playbook, Part One

In surveys, one in four Americans report having to skip their medications due to cost. We asked our listeners: what strategies have you used when you’ve been hit with pharmacy sticker shock?  We heard from a ton of you – with stories, strategies and workarounds that surprised and encouraged us. None of them will work for everybody. This is a set of patches and bandaids for a broken system. But if there’s one that’ll work for you, we want to help you find it. So we’re bringing you the most-complete, best-organized set of patches we can.   In this episode — the first of two episodes — a dad named Bob tells us how he learned some hard-earned lessons.  When Bob’s teenage daughter Mary was diagnosed with epilepsy, it took her doctors years of trial and error to find the right treatment. It finally worked, Mary's seizures stopped — and then, when Bob's insurance changed, the price tag for Mary's meds went through the roof. What Bob did next represents one possible journey through the dizzying (and often exasperating) maze of potential workarounds for getting your medicine at a price you can afford.  We’ve started compiling lessons from Bob’s story and others in our First Aid Kit newsletter.  Our first installment features a price comparison spreadsheet… inspired by Bob (who we’d like to nominate for Dad of the Year).  Here’s a transcript of this episode.  Send your stories and questions. Or call 724 ARM-N-LEG. Of course we’d love for you to support this show.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Transcribed - Published: 12 June 2025

Could this mathematician’s formula fix US hospitals?

What do the KGB and the former CEO of Cincinnati Children's Hospital have in common? At different times, they’ve each looked to a guy named Eugene Litvak for help. He only said yes to Cincinnati — but he saved that hospital more than a hundred million dollars a year. For the last few decades, Litvak – a Soviet émigré with a PhD in math – has been on a mission: save U.S. hospitals from financial ruin, and improve the lives of doctors, nurses, and patients. He says he has just the formula to do it, lots of prominent experts agree, and he’s documented impressive results so far: Financial savings, fewer hospital-related deaths, lower staff turnover, and shorter wait times. But Litvak and his allies are still struggling to convince more hospital CEOs to try his method.   We talk with Litvak about his wild life story and how he found the fix that he says could revolutionize American hospitals. And we speak with experts to determine why more hospitals don’t try it.  Here’s a transcript of this episode.  Send your stories and questions. Or call 724 ARM-N-LEG. Of course we’d love for you to support this show.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Transcribed - Published: 22 May 2025

A longtime expert puts 2025-so-far in perspective

With news blasting from Washington like a firehose, it feels impossible to take it all in — to stay on top of all the changes the Trump administration has been trying to make.  But for health care, one person is probably closer to anyone than to understanding the full picture: KFF Heath News Chief Washington Correspondent Julie Rover.     In this episode, Julie helps us see that picture, by telling us two stories: The first concerns a teeny part of the health care system — an obscure federal agency, one of many that the Trump administration has taken a chainsaw to. The other is anything but obscure: Possible cuts to Medicaid —which Julie thinks Republicans will actually find very difficult to make. Plus, reporting from Julie’s KFF Health News colleague Arthur Allen. And a cameo from one of Julie’s beloved corgis. Check out Julie’s weekly health policy news podcast: What the Health?  Read more from Arthur Allen on cuts to AHRQ in KFF Health News: What’s Lost: Trump Whacks Tiny Agency That Works To Make the Nation’s Health Care Safer Trump HHS Eliminates Office That Sets Poverty Levels Tied to Benefits for at Least 80 Million People Here’s a transcript of this episode.  Send your stories and questions. Or call 724 ARM-N-LEG. Of course we’d love for you to support this show.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Transcribed - Published: 1 May 2025

Why ‘The Pitt’ is our fave new drama

People who work in real-life emergency rooms have raved about how accurately the new drama The Pitt (Max) captures the dynamics and the medical details of their workplaces. Here at An Arm and a Leg, we’ve been nerding out about how the show depicts the financial forces that shape the ER’s day-to-day problems like crowding, eternal wait times, and scary bills.  For this episode, we got Dr. Alex Janke, an emergency medicine doctor and health policy researcher to nerd out with us.  Here’s a transcript of this episode.  Send your stories and questions. Or call 724 ARM-N-LEG. Of course we’d love for you to support this show.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Transcribed - Published: 10 April 2025

Winning a two-year fight over a bogus bill

A few months ago, we got a note from a listener named Meagan, who wanted to thank us.  She said the stories she heard on this show had given her the advice and encouragement she needed to finally win a fight against a medical bill she didn’t owe — a battle she’d been waging for more than two years. As Meagan tells us, those two years were filled with wild twists and turns and a lot of disappointment. We hear what kept her motivated and encouraged despite all the setbacks – and after an insurance rep pointed her to a free legal resource — the tactic that finally led to a breakthrough.  Here’s a resource we mention — with a spoiler alert: It’s the sample cease-and-desist letter that a lawyer shared with Meagan.  We’ll break down the details — how a letter like this could work, in certain situations — in a future First Aid Kit newsletter. Here’s a transcript of this episode.  Send your stories and questions. Or call 724 ARM-N-LEG. Of course we’d love for you to support this show.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Transcribed - Published: 20 March 2025

A medical-debt watchdog gets sidelined by the new administration

A federal agency called the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau — CFPB for short — has taken big steps to help people with medical debt. In early February, the Trump administration moved to effectively shutter the agency.  We talked with credit counselor Lara Ceccarelli about how the CFPB has helped clients at the nonprofit where she works, and how she’s navigating the sudden change.  And consumer-rights advocate Chi Chi Wu — an attorney with the National Consumer Law Center — describes the court battle she and her colleagues are mounting to slow down the agency’s dismantling — and where things could go from here.  We’ll track this developing story in next week’s First Aid Kit newsletter, so if you’re not signed up, this is a great time to start: www.armandalegshow.com/firstaidkit. Here's a transcript of this episode.  Send your stories and questions. Or call 724 ARM-N-LEG. Of course we’d love for you to support this show.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Transcribed - Published: 27 February 2025

Big news: Our ‘First Aid Kit’ newsletter is now weekly

Hey – real quick: some big news from the team at An Arm and a Leg. Our First Aid Kit newsletter is going weekly! First Aid Kit brings you advice from our show and more on how to survive and navigate America’s health care system.  And allow us to introduce First Aid Kit’s new writer, Claire Davenport.  When she was our intern last summer, she reviewed An Arm and a Leg’s entire catalog of episodes, and took notes along the way. Now she’s bringing the practical lessons from all that reporting straight to your inbox, every week.  Get it while it’s hot: sign up for First Aid Kit here.  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Transcribed - Published: 24 February 2025

How do you deal with wild drug prices?

Tons of people spend so much time and energy trying to get their meds at a reasonable price. And we want to hear how it went for you.

Transcribed - Published: 3 February 2025

The ‘Shkreli Awards’ — for dysfunction and profiteering in health care

The Lown Institute’s contest for this year’s most outrageous stories of greed in health care.

Transcribed - Published: 16 January 2025

This is An Arm and a Leg

A show about the cost of health care

Transcribed - Published: 6 January 2025

A listener fighting the good fight

To close out the year, we spoke with a very cool listener – a medical resident fighting for change.

Transcribed - Published: 30 December 2024

Revisiting ‘Christmas In July’

From the archives: a family tragedy, a 40-year tradition, and a $1 million in medical debt erased.

Transcribed - Published: 12 December 2024

New lessons from the fight for charity care

For instance: It's a $14 billion battle.

Transcribed - Published: 22 November 2024

Fight health insurance — with help from AI

“I hate insurance companies,” says tech worker Holden Karau. So she made a bot to battle with them.

Transcribed - Published: 1 November 2024

Can racism make you sick?

Violence, silences, and public health, with journalist Cara Anthony

Transcribed - Published: 17 October 2024

Special Feature: A Beloved Nursing Home, from “To See Each Other”

We're sharing an episode of “To See Each Other,” about a question that’s SUPER-relevant to this show:  How do we pay for long-term care, like nursing homes?   To See Each Other aims to complicate the narrative about small-town Americans. In this new season, host George Goehl heads to Lincoln County, Wisconsin — population, 28,000-and-some. And home to a publicly-run nursing home with a 5-star quality rating from the feds.   A conservative county board plans to sell the home to a private operator, but senior citizens aren’t having it. They show up to board meetings, march in the Labor Day parade, and fight with… their last breath. George goes deep into questions of aging in America, public versus private versions of long-term care, and the nuts and bolts of organizing. The show aims to put you in a fighting mood, and to think differently about aging. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Transcribed - Published: 1 October 2024

“Baby steps” in the fight against facility fees

States are tackling facility fees, but it’s slow going.

Transcribed - Published: 26 September 2024

Anatomy of a Fall: One rural hospital’s ransomware story (from Click Here)

How one rural hospital dealt with a cyberattack.

Transcribed - Published: 5 September 2024

Don’t get “bullied” into paying what you don’t owe

How one woman stared down a six-figure medical bill and won.

Transcribed - Published: 15 August 2024

We want to see your hospital bills

What do they say about charity care?

Transcribed - Published: 25 July 2024

The woman who beat an $8,000 hospital fee

Facility fees from hospitals are more common than ever – and one woman was determined not to pay.

Transcribed - Published: 11 July 2024

Coming soon: your stories on facility fees

For months now, you’ve been sharing stories with us about facility fees, those sneaky fees that keep showing up on your medical bills.  Facility fees are kind of like a cover charge for visiting a health care facility, usually one owned by a hospital. And many of you have been blindsided by them.  Some of you have been going to the same place for years, only to one day get a brand new charge, seemingly out of nowhere. Many of you only found out about a facility fee after the fact, while some of you managed to avoid one by going somewhere else. Pretty much all of you were vexed, confused, and wanted answers.  Next week, we’ll start unpacking these stories, starting with one that’s particularly epic.  Stay tuned!  In the meantime, got a story or tip you want to share? Send your stories and questions. Or call 724 ARM-N-LEG.And of course we’d love for you to support this show. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Transcribed - Published: 3 July 2024

Meet the Middleman’s Middleman

Way behind the scenes, a hidden player makes billions — cutting what your health insurance covers.

Transcribed - Published: 13 June 2024

Staying on Medicaid seems tougher than it should be

The word “nightmare” came up a lot when we talked with a Tennessee mom.

Transcribed - Published: 23 May 2024

We’re digging into “facility fees.” We need your help.

Why we’re collecting your stories about these sneaky fees.

Transcribed - Published: 2 May 2024

The Hack

A cyberattack against a giant gets us thinking about antitrust.

Transcribed - Published: 11 April 2024

Son of Medicare: Attack of the Machines

How UnitedHealth used an algorithm to cut off care for seniors.

Transcribed - Published: 21 March 2024

The Medicare Episode

It’s not free. It’s not simple. And of course there are scams. If you (or anyone you care about) are anywhere near 65, we’ve got some wild, important news that you need.

Transcribed - Published: 29 February 2024

Wait, is insulin cheaper now?

We break down some news about insulin — the so-called “poster child” for the high cost of prescription drugs — and what activists still want to see happen.

Transcribed - Published: 8 February 2024

Self defense 101: Keeping your cool while you fight

Dealing with the American health care system as a patient means lots of tough moments – unexpected bills, meds not covered, insurance and hospitals making you go back and forth without a clear answer, endless hold times and phone trees… the list goes on.  So listeners ask us all the time: How do I stay strong and fight for my rights without totally losing my s---?  We’re bringing back one of our most useful episodes ever: How to keep your cool in a tough moment, according to a self defense expert.  In late 2020, Dan hit up self defense expert Lauren Taylor to get strategies for standing up for yourself, and hear how she’s applied her approach in her own fight for health care coverage.  Since then, she’s published a book! It’s called Get Empowered: A Practical Guide to Thrive, Heal, and Embrace Your Confidence in a Sexist World.  Extra tip: At the moment, the site bookshop.org, which supports independent bookstores, has the best price.Here’s a transcript of this episode.  Send your stories and questions. Or call 724 ARM-N-LEG. And of course we’d love for you to support this show. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Transcribed - Published: 18 January 2024

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