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Blair Treu is an award-winning director whose work includes a variety of feature films, television shows, documentaries, and commercials for over 30 years—from The Power Rangers to Chicken Soup for the Soul. The writer and director of Sharing Aloha and Meet the Mormons, he graduated from Brigham Young University with a bachelor's degree in Theatre and began his career at the Walt Disney Company. More recently, Blair worked with BYUtv to create the series Real Families, Real Answers, and was a co-director of Granite Flats. Links Watch the video and share your thoughts in the Leading Saints community Get movie tickets and details at sharingalohathemovie.com Transcript coming soon Get 14-day access to the Zion Lab Content Library Highlights The film Sharing Aloha, directed by Blair Treu, highlights the inspiring stories of students at the Polynesian Cultural Center and their transformative experiences. Blair shares how he became involved with the project, and discusses the unique challenges of capturing the students' stories, emphasizing their resilience and strong family ties. The film aims to showcase the students' journeys, illustrating how the PCC provides them with opportunities for education and personal growth. Throughout the conversation, Blair reflects on leadership principles learned from working with the students and the PCC staff. He highlights the importance of appreciation and compassion in leadership, drawing parallels to church leadership. 00:01:52 - Introducing Sharing Aloha Introduction to the film "Sharing Aloha" and its connection to the Polynesian Cultural Center. 00:03:44 - The Genesis of Sharing Aloha Blair Treu discusses how the project came to be and the inspiration behind it. 00:04:55 - The Abundance of Stories The challenge of selecting which stories to tell from the many available. 00:06:47 - Blair Treu's Background Blair shares his experience and previous projects in film and media. 00:08:44 - The Polynesian Cultural Center Discussion about the PCC and its significance in the film. 00:10:43 - Focus on Student Stories The decision to center the film on the students' experiences rather than the PCC's history. 00:12:14 - Insights on the YSA Demographic What Blair learned about the Young Single Adult demographic through the film. 00:13:37 - Cultural Connections The importance of family and community in Polynesian culture. 00:16:42 - The Film's Format Comparison of "Sharing Aloha" to "Meet the Mormons" in terms of storytelling. 00:18:18 - Funding and Support Details on how the film was funded and its relationship with the PCC. 00:20:38 - Addressing Criticism Discussion on the misconceptions and criticisms surrounding the PCC. 00:22:39 - The Value of Work The benefits students receive from working at the PCC compared to other jobs. 00:24:36 - Leadership in Performance Insights into how the PCC manages its performances and trains students. 00:30:14 - Leadership Lessons from Film Production Blair shares leadership principles learned from directing the film.

Transcribed - Published: 26 August 2025

This episode features a portion of a live stream discussion that took place in Zion Lab, where we explored the dynamics of delegation within bishoprics and youth leadership. Zion Lab is a welcoming space to discuss what you’re learning in your calling, share best practices and helpful resources, connect with others, and strengthen your ministry. Everyone is invited. Whether you’re new to your calling or have years of experience, your insights and questions are welcome. Links Have a comment? Share your thoughts in the Leading Saints community. Read the transcript of this podcast Get 14-day access to the Zion Lab Library Highlights A key theme of the conversation is the unspoken pressure that bishops feel as the figureheads of their wards. We address the anxiety that arises when programs falter or activities do not meet expectations, and how this can lead to a reluctance to delegate responsibilities. The discussion emphasizes the importance of setting clear expectations when extending callings, ensuring that leaders understand not just their tasks but also the vision behind their roles. Listeners will hear insights from various participants who share their experiences and strategies for effective delegation. We also touch on the broader responsibilities of bishops beyond youth leadership, including the importance of collaboration with elders quorum and Relief Society presidents. The conversation reveals how effective delegation can alleviate the burden on bishops and enhance the overall functioning of the ward. We encourage bishops to give themselves grace, acknowledging that they cannot do everything and that the Lord will take care of His children. 00:02:18 - Delegation in Leadership Exploration of the dynamics of delegation within bishoprics and youth leadership. 00:03:25 - Setting Expectations for Callings The importance of clearly communicating expectations when extending callings to leaders. 00:04:46 - Meeting People Where They Are The value of personal check-ins and understanding individual stories in leadership. 00:06:33 - Focusing on the Rising Generation Discussion on the responsibilities of bishops towards the youth and the broader rising generation. 00:07:50 - Delegating to Elders Quorum and Relief Society Insights on how to effectively delegate responsibilities to adult leaders in the ward. 00:09:59 - Prioritizing Youth Responsibilities Bishops share their experiences and challenges in managing youth-related responsibilities. 00:10:30 - Understanding Repentance Discussion on the bishop's role in the repentance process and how it can be delegated. 00:12:39 - Positive Reinforcement in Leadership The impact of recognizing and reinforcing good behaviors among leaders and members. 00:13:25 - Parental Involvement in Teaching Conversations about the role of parents in teaching youth about important topics. 00:15:32 - Training Parents to Teach Efforts to equip parents with the skills to teach their children effectively. 00:17:27 - Bishop's Fireside Discussions Plans for bishop's firesides to address important topics with youth and parents. 00:19:57 - Youth Leading Discussions

Transcribed - Published: 16 August 2025

Skylar Haws has dedicated over a decade to serving youth in various church callings, including Young Men's President and Priest Quorum Advisor. He has also taught early morning seminary and worked as a youth Sunday School teacher. Skylar's passion for youth leadership stems from his own experiences and a desire to help young men grow spiritually and personally. He resides in Saratoga Springs with his family, where he balances his church responsibilities with work and family life. Links Join us to share your thoughts in the Leading Saints community Transcript coming soon Get 14-day access to the Zion Lab Library Highlights Skylar emphasizes the importance of meeting young men where they are. He discusses the value of building relationships and creating meaningful experiences through high adventure activities. Skylar highlights the significance of pushing youth to embrace challenges while connecting their experiences back to Christ. He also addresses the dynamics of planning activities, engaging parents, and fostering a supportive environment for all young men, regardless of their individual circumstances. 04:00 - Skylar's Background in Youth Leadership 05:00 - Advice for New Young Men's Leaders 06:00 - Meeting Youth Where They Are 08:00 - The Power of Sacrifice in Youth Leadership 11:00 - Creating Spiritual Impact in High Adventure Activities 13:00 - Planning High Adventure Activities 18:00 - Engaging Boys in Planning and Preparation 22:00 - Handling Low Attendance at Activities 25:00 - The Importance of Relationships in Leadership 30:00 - Balancing Leadership with Family and Work 32:00 - Thematic and Dramatic Elements in Activities 35:00 - Service Opportunities and Miracles 40:00 - Managing Challenges During Activities The award-winning Leading Saints Podcast is one of the top independent Latter-day Saints podcasts as part of nonprofit Leading Saints' mission to help Latter-day Saints be better prepared to lead. Learn more and listen to any of the past episodes for free at LeadingSaints.org. Past guests include Emily Belle Freeman, David Butler, Hank Smith, John Bytheway, Reyna and Elena Aburto, Liz Wiseman, Stephen M. R. Covey, Benjamin Hardy, Elder Alvin F. Meredith III,

Transcribed - Published: 13 August 2025

Listen in to this livestream conversation from the Leading Saints Zion Lab, and help build a stronger Sunday School community! Zion Lab is a welcoming space to discuss what you’re learning in your calling, share best practices and helpful resources, and connect with other presidencies and strengthen your ministry. Everyone is invited. Whether you’re new to your calling or have years of experience, your insights and questions are welcome. Links Creating a Transformational Sunday School | An Interview with Dan Duckworth Church News: "What to know about teacher council meetings for parents" Teaching General Conference Teaching Restored Maxwell Institute Come Follow Me resources Stimulating More Personal Revelation in Your Ward With the Gospel Library App | An Interview with Richard Bernard The Covenant Path podcast Involving Women in Sunday School Leadership | An Interview with Garret Shields & Monica Fell Read the transcript of this podcast Zion Lab Community: LeadingSaints.org/Zion Highlights This conversation comes from a recent Zion Lab community livestream focused on Sunday School presidencies. This informal gathering allowed participants to share their experiences, best practices, and challenges related to their callings. We discussed the purpose of Sunday School, the dynamics of teaching council meetings, and how to effectively engage parents and teachers in the learning process. We also explored the challenges of organizing teacher council meetings, with participants sharing their successes and struggles in getting attendance and fostering meaningful discussions. Join the Leading Saints community at LeadingSaints.org/Zion for the full, unedited conversation and to continue engaging in these important discussions. We recognize that leadership in the Church can be isolating, but through collaboration and shared experiences, we can uplift and support one another in our callings. Join us as we explore these vital topics and work together to enhance our leadership skills and strengthen our communities. 00:04:46 - Joshua's Experience as Bishop Joshua discusses his experience as a bishop and his feelings of uncertainty in his Sunday School presidency role. 00:05:59 - Martha's Transformation as a Teacher Martha shares how a podcast influenced her approach as a Gospel Doctrine teacher....

Transcribed - Published: 9 August 2025

Allison Schreiber is entering her seventh year as an early morning seminary teacher in New Braunfels, Texas—an experience she describes as one of the most joyful and spiritually-rich callings of her life. Fluent in German and Russian, Allison served in the Russia Moscow Mission before earning a bachelor of Fine Arts in Interior Design from Brigham Young University, along with certification in International Color Consulting. Her dedication to sacred spaces led her to intern with the Temple Construction department, contributing to the designing of temples in Houston, Boston, and Nauvoo. A born leader and meticulous planner, Allison has worn many hats across decades of youth and community service, serving extensively in the Young Women organization. She’s chaired committees, organized record-breaking Boy Scouts of America district events, and served on BSA Woodbadge staff for three consecutive years after completing the prestigious leadership training herself. Whether designing a youth conference or directing a camporee, Allison brings creativity, discipline, and a touch of grace to every detail. In her seminary classroom, Allison blends her vast experience with a personal mission: to make early morning Seminary not just bearable but transformational. Through intentional leadership moments and peer-supported learning, she cultivates a classroom culture where students feel empowered to plan, lead, and strengthen one another in faith. Links Join us to watch the video and share your thoughts in the Leading Saints community Transcript coming soon Get 14-day access to the Core Leader Library Highlights Allison shares effective teaching strategies and principles that can enhance youth engagement in a seminary setting. She shares proven methods to encourage participation and create a lively learning environment. The conversation highlights the importance of making gospel connections and how thoughtful planning can help youth see the relevance of gospel teachings in their everyday lives. Allison shares her approach to teaching, emphasizing the need to mix up learning methods to keep students engaged. She discusses the use of games, interactive activities, and creative resources, such as movie clips, to make lessons more relatable and exciting. She also touches on the significance of recognizing each student's voice and ensuring that everyone feels valued and included in the class. Allison introduces the "EDGE" method—Explain, Demonstrate, Guide, and Enable—as a framework for teaching leadership skills to youth. She explains how this method empowers students to take charge of their learning and prepares them for future leadership roles. Allison shares practical examples of how she sets her students up for success, including organizing activities that foster teamwork and collaboration. She emphasizes the importance of loving and supporting youth, encouraging leaders to create an environment where students feel safe and motivated to participate. 03:15 - Allison's Background and Experience 04:29 - Seminary Class Structure and Student Engagement 05:20 - Testing Different Teaching Methods 06:45 - Balancing Fun and Gospel Learning

Transcribed - Published: 6 August 2025

This is a follow-up conversation. Listen to the first episode here. Jeff Strong worked nearly 30 years in the consumer products industry as a senior executive at Procter & Gamble and global president and chief customer officer at Johnson & Johnson. He then taught in the Marriott School of Business at Brigham Young University and worked as an advisor to the Church before serving as a mission leader in the Arkansas Bentonville Mission. Jeff has since spent several years doing research on why people are leaving the Church. While not a professional researcher, his career involved a large amount of research and the research he shares in this podcast was done with the help of some of the top Latter-day Saint researchers in the world. Today, Jeff lives in Midway, Utah, and stays busy with a little lavender farm, some business consulting, and enjoying family. Links Slides: Tension From Our Differences When Clapping Happens at Church | A How I Lead Interview with Devin Pope Share your thoughts in the Leading Saints community Transcript coming soon Get 14-day access to the Core Leader Library Highlights Jeff Strong dives deeper into the complexities of faith and community. He explores the idea that while many church leaders may come from a similar mindset, the diversity of perspectives within the congregation is essential for a healthy community. Jeff shares insights from a comprehensive study on disaffiliation and church experiences, highlighting the strengths and weaknesses of the church culture. He notes that while many members appreciate the community, service, and spiritual growth offered by the church, there are significant concerns about judgment, conformity, and exclusivity that can alienate individuals with differing beliefs or backgrounds. Jeff and Kurt talk about the tension caused by differences, and Jeff illustrates how the natural human response to perceived threats often leads to conformity and exclusion. He discusses the importance of yielding to the Holy Spirit to navigate these tensions, rather than allowing fear to dictate responses. A key part of the episode is the introduction of a segmentation model that categorizes Latter-day Saints into six belief mindsets: Seekers, Cultivators, Protectors, Avoiders, Connectors, and Explorers. Each segment is defined by its unique values and priorities, with Protectors making up a significant portion of church leadership. Jeff and Kurt discuss the implications of this model, emphasizing that a church comprised solely of one segment would lack the richness and diversity necessary for a thriving community. Understanding these different mindsets can help church leaders foster a more inclusive environment that accommodates a broader range of beliefs and experiences. Jeff encourages listeners to embrace the complexities of faith and community, recognizing that the presence of tension can lead to growth and deeper understanding. 00:02:00 - Discussion on disaffiliation from the church 00:02:00 - Tension caused by differences 00:09:00 - Story of the kingfisher and magpies 00:12:00 - Strengths of church culture

Transcribed - Published: 2 August 2025

James Fletcher is the founder and chief investment officer of Ethos Investment Management, and has been investing professionally in emerging markets for 20 years. He is also the founder of the global non-profit Young Investors Society, which provides lessons to teens on investing and financial literacy in over 3,000 high schools and 80 countries around the world. James has a bachelor's degree in Finance from Brigham Young University and also teaches as a BYU adjunct professor in Finance. He has lived in a variety of places, from Boston to Brazil and Los Angeles to Hong Kong, and currently lives in Springville, Utah, with his wife and five children, where he serves as a bishop in the Hobble Creek Springville Utah Stake. Links Young Investors Society: YIS.org Share your thoughts in the Leading Saints community Transcript coming soon Get 14-day access to the Core Leader Library Highlights James Fletcher shares his insights and experiences as a bishop and youth leader. He shares his approach to engaging with youth, highlighting the advice he received to focus on them while allowing other leaders to manage adult responsibilities. He discusses his passion for working with young people, which has been shaped by his background in youth mentorship and his founding of the Young Investor Society, an organization that teaches financial literacy and investment principles to high school students. James emphasizes the importance of setting high expectations for youth while providing the necessary support and mentorship. He also discusses the significance of creating engaging and interactive experiences for youth, rather than simply delivering lessons. He shares how challenging youth with high expectations can lead to remarkable growth and engagement, citing examples from both his church leadership and his work with the Young Investor Society. 00:04:04 - First Impressions of Being a Bishop James shares his experiences and feelings during the first months of his calling as bishop. 00:05:16 - Unique Ward Dynamics Discussion about the unique characteristics of James's ward in Springville, Utah, including its diverse community. 00:06:57 - Approach to Engaging Youth James explains his focus on youth and how he prioritizes their needs in his leadership role. 00:07:54 - Background in Youth Engagement James discusses his history of working with youth and the founding of the Young Investor Society. 00:09:37 - Weekly Engagement with Youth Insights into James's weekly activities and how he applies principles of mentorship and engagement with youth. 00:11:06 - Measuring Success as a Bishop James shares advice on how to judge success in his role, emphasizing spiritual guidance. 00:12:00 - Personal Story of Mentorship James recounts a meaningful experience with a young man named Zach and the impact of mentorship. 00:14:23 - Principles for Working with Youth James discusses key principles for engaging and inspiring youth, including setting high expectations. 00:18:47 - Interactive Learning Experiences The importance of interactive and challenging experiences for youth to keep them engaged. 00:21:10 - High Expectations and Support James elaborates on the balance of high expectations and providing support to youth. 00:23:01 - Recognizing and Nurturing Gifts The significance of helping youth recognize their gifts and...

Transcribed - Published: 31 July 2025

Dr. Benjamin Hardy is an organizational psychologist, author, and speaker known for his work on the psychology of exponential growth and transformation. He has mastered a highly unique form of strategic psychology and is known for his ability to rapidly scale companies to seemingly impossible levels. The author of several books and cofounder of his rigorous scaling company, Scaling.com, Benjamin helps companies scale 10x or more within three years. His innovative psychological and strategic frameworks are unlike anything else in business right now and are seeking to disrupt both the fields of psychology and business. Benjamin and his wife Lauren have seven children and live in Orlando. Links The Science of Scaling: Grow Your Business Bigger and Faster Than You Think Possible Scaling.com/Audiobook Share your thoughts in the Leading Saints community Transcript coming soon Get 14-day access to the Core Leader Library Highlights Benjamin introduces the idea that setting ambitious goals can lead to more effective pathways for growth. He explains that when organizations aim for significantly higher targets—such as a tenfold increase in growth—they are compelled to streamline their efforts and eliminate unnecessary complexities. This principle is particularly relevant for church leaders who may feel constrained by traditional metrics of success. Benjamin emphasizes the importance of aligning daily actions with a higher purpose. He discusses the concept of "raising the floor," which refers to the necessity of letting go of lower standards and practices that no longer serve the organization's goals. By doing so, leaders can create a more focused and effective environment for achieving their objectives. The conversation also delves into the psychological aspects of goal-setting, highlighting how the future should shape present actions rather than being dictated by past performance. He shares a compelling story about an audacious missionary baptism goal and how adjusting adjusting and filtering ultimately achieved the goal—illustrating the power of high aspirations and the need for leaders to be willing to say no to less-impactful activities. Benjamin explores the challenges church leaders face in maintaining focus amidst competing priorities and discusses the tendency to add more initiatives rather than simplifying and prioritizing efforts. He encourages leaders to define clear, measurable goals that can guide their actions and decision-making processes, along with a call to embrace ambitious goals. By focusing on fewer, higher goals and raising their standards, leaders can unlock the potential within their wards and organizations, ultimately leading to greater success in their missions. 00:04:00 - Applying Scaling Principles to the Church 00:05:20 - The Goal Shapes the Path and System 00:05:50 - The Power of 10x Goals and Short Timelines 00:08:40 - Missionary Work as an Example of Scaling 00:10:50 - The Past and Future as Lenses for the Present 00:14:10 - Operating From the Goal, Not Toward It 00:14:40 - Raising the Floor and Saying No 00:15:30 - Blake's Missionary Experience and Filtering 00:19:40 - Overcoming the Influence of the Past in Organizations 00:21:50 - Simplicity vs. Complexity

Transcribed - Published: 27 July 2025

Monica Tanner is an RLT-trained relationship coach and host of the "Secrets of Happily Ever After" podcast. She transforms marriages with simple communication, connection, conflict resolution, and commitment strategies. Her mission is to lower the divorce rate and improve marital satisfaction. Through her podcast, social media community, couple’s coaching practice, and new book—Bad Marriage Advice, Monica has helped thousands of couples ditch resentment and roommate syndrome and get back to living their happily-ever-after love story. In the Church, Monica serves in the Young Women program with two of her daughters. Links MonicaTanner.com Bad Marriage Advice Share your thoughts in the Leading Saints community Transcript coming soon Get 14-day access to the Core Leader Library Highlights Monica shares insights on the importance of communication in marriage, noting that many couples express a need for help in this area. They discuss the dynamics of relationships, emphasizing that both partners must actively engage in the marriage to foster a healthy connection. The episode also touches on the stigma surrounding seeking help for marital issues within the Latter-day Saint community, where some may feel that divorce is not an option, leading to feelings of entrapment. Monica explores common misconceptions about marriage, such as the idea that "happy couples never fight." They argue that conflict is a natural part of any relationship and that learning to navigate disagreements is crucial for growth. The discussion also addresses the problematic advice of "never go to bed angry," suggesting that sometimes it is healthier to take a break and revisit issues with a fresh perspective. Throughout the episode, the importance of choice in marriage is emphasized. Monica encourages couples to view their relationship as a partnership where both individuals actively choose to be together, rather than feeling obligated due to covenants or societal expectations. They advocate for open communication and the necessity of seeking help when needed, highlighting that doing so is a sign of strength and commitment. 00:03:19 - Common Marriage Struggles Monica discusses the prevalent issues couples face, particularly around communication and faith transitions. 00:04:54 - The Empty Nest Phenomenon Exploration of the challenges couples face when their children leave home, leading to potential relationship reevaluation. 00:06:27 - Advice for Struggling Couples Monica offers guidance for couples who feel tension in their marriage but may not have the resources for therapy. 00:08:34 - Unique Aspects of Latter-day Saint Marriages Discussion on the stigma around seeking help for marriage issues within the Latter-day Saint culture. 00:10:55 - The Concept of Choice in Marriage Exploration of how the perception of being "locked in" to a marriage can affect relationship dynamics. 00:12:22 - Agency and Choice in Relationships Monica emphasizes the importance of making daily choices in marriage and the role of agency in relationships. 00:14:27 - The Importance of Communication Discussion on the necessity of open communication in marriage and the dangers of complacency. 00:16:12 - Navigating Divorce Conversations Insights on how church leaders can approach discussions about divorce a...

Transcribed - Published: 20 July 2025

This is a rebroadcast. The episode originally ran in September 2019. Frank Layden was a beloved basketball coach and executive best known for his time with the Utah Jazz. While he achieved tremendous professional success—earning NBA Coach of the Year, Executive of the Year, and the J. Walter Kennedy Citizenship Award all in 1984—it was his warmth, humor, and larger-than-life personality that truly defined him. Known for his self-deprecating wit and quick one-liners, Layden brought levity to the game and was deeply respected by players, colleagues, and fans alike. Beyond basketball, Layden was cherished for his kindness, community involvement, and ability to connect with people on a personal level. He had a gift for making others feel valued, often using laughter to lift those around him. Even in retirement, he remained a vibrant part of the Salt Lake City community. Frank Layden passed away on July 9, 2025, at the age of 93, leaving behind a legacy of leadership and compassion. Links Share your thoughts in the Leading Saints community Transcript coming soon Get 14-day access to the Core Leader Library Highlights Early Experiences & Utah Transition 03:15 Involvement with the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints; reflections on what President Thomas S. Monson said about him 05:15 How he ended up in Utah with the Jazz 07:50 First knowledge of and interactions with members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints 10:00 Approach to sports and Utah’s culture: “What can we do to help here?” Focused on building relationships over highlighting differences. Personal and Professional Philosophy 13:15 How he became a coach 14:25 Belief that his family was meant to be in Utah 14:50 Building the Jazz from a losing team into a contender 16:20 Perspective on success: You won’t always succeed, and shouldn’t measure success by money. Prioritize doing what you love and service. 17:30 The Jazz’s efforts to help players and their families grow off the court: - Wives club activities: fashion shows, making Christmas trees, supporting education - Interfaith chapel service with Rev. France Davis and Pastor Jerry Lewis - Bonuses for players who finished college degrees Leadership & Team Management 20:00 When players feel coaches support them, they give their all. 21:15 Emphasis on making each player feel loved; daily question: “What can I do for you today?” 22:25 The importance of small things: punctuality, readiness, balancing authority and discipline 25:20 Players must believe in you, and you must believe in yourself. - Understanding who needs motivation vs. encouragement - Establishing leadership: the team must know who leads - “Winning is not a sometimes thing; it starts the first day of practice.” Relationship-Building & Daily Culture 33:15 Building one-on-one connections with players - Creating comfort for players to approach leadership - Listening to them (examples include book club and shared reading) - Encouraging professional appearance - Mutual respect and adult treatment fosters loyalty - Players can sense if you enjoy your job. - End interactions on a positive, humorous note. Reflection on Faith & Community 49:00 How being part of Utah’s religious community enhanced his experience as a Catholic The award-winning Leading Saints Podcast is one of the top independent ...

Transcribed - Published: 17 July 2025

Dan Duckworth speaks, teaches, and writes on leadership, power, and systemic change. His forthcoming book, The Leader in Chains (spring 2026), challenges conventional ideas and calls for a radical rethinking of leadership—and how it is developed. You can read his Zion Leadership essays at danduckworth.substack.com or connect with him on LinkedIn. Links LeadingSaints.org/Zion DanDuckworth.Substack.com Share your thoughts in the Leading Saints community Transcript coming soon Get 14-day access to the Core Leader Library Highlights In this episode, Dan Duckworth engages in a thought-provoking discussion about the concept of Zion and its implications for leadership within the context of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. He begins by addressing the common resistance to transformational leadership in church settings, noting that many members feel uncomfortable with the idea of change-making. Dan emphasizes that the principles of leadership are deeply rooted in scripture, particularly in the teachings of Jesus Christ. He articulates the need for a "faithful vocabulary of leadership" that resonates with church members, moving away from secular leadership jargon that may not align with their beliefs. Dan challenges the traditional view of hierarchy in church leadership, asserting that God's ways are different from man's ways. He references the Doctrine and Covenants, specifically highlighting that in Zion, there shall be no king or ruler, suggesting that true leadership should not be about hierarchy but about unity and collaboration. Dan elaborates on the idea that Zion is not merely a future state but a present social condition characterized by a people who are of one heart and one mind. He encourages listeners to reflect on their own communities—families, wards, and councils—asking whether they operate under a hierarchical structure or if they embody the principles of Zion. He argues that the work of building Zion requires breaking free from systemic forces that constrain behavior and perpetuate the status quo. Dan also explains that leadership involves creating space for individuals to use their gifts and talents, rather than adhering strictly to established hierarchies. He emphasizes that leaders should discern the needs of their communities and empower others to step into leadership roles, regardless of formal titles or positions. Dan shares a scriptural example from the Old Testament, recounting how Moses responded to the concerns of Joshua regarding unauthorized prophecy. Moses expresses a desire for all people to be prophets, highlighting the importance of recognizing and nurturing the gifts within the community. He contrasts this with the story of Aaron and Miriam, who are chastised for their desire to lead without the proper authority, illustrating the balance between recognizing divine gifts and maintaining order. Dan underscores the significance of understanding the difference between appointed leaders and true leaders. He notes that a bishop, while holding an ecclesiastical role, may not necessarily be a leader in the transformative sense. Instead, he should act as a facilitator, allowing the gifts of others to flourish and ensuring that the community operates in alignment with God's mercies.

Transcribed - Published: 15 July 2025

Angela Sturgeon has served in a variety of callings, including Sunday School teacher, Young Women first counselor, Relief Society counselor and secretary, Relief Society president, Primary Activity Days leader, and in Scouts. She most recently served as the stake Primary secretary and now as stake Primary president. Angela earned an associate's degree in History and Political Science from Orange Coast College and after many years of balancing work, family, and part-time study, will be graduating in a few weeks with a bachelor's degree from Brigham Young University-Idaho. She worked as a flight attendant before retiring in 2022 and has since pursued her passion for encouraging and mentoring others, becoming a published best-selling author of How to Be Resilient for Turbulent Times and a TEDx speaker of the same title. She speaks regularly on resilience, faith, and purpose—inspiring audiences to rise with strength in the face of adversity. Links How to Be Resilient for Turbulent Times: 7 Guiding Resiliency Principles How to be resilient for turbulent times | Angela Sturgeon | TEDxUSFSM Share your thoughts in the Leading Saints community Transcript coming soon Get 14-day access to the Core Leader Library Highlights Angela shares her unique experiences and insights gained from her leadership role in a diverse and spread-out stake. She candidly discusses her initial challenges stepping into the role of stake Primary president without prior experience in a ward Primary presidency. Angela emphasizes the importance of building relationships and understanding the unique needs of each ward and branch within her stake. She shares key principles that guide her leadership approach: * Embracing Flexibility and Personal Growth: Angela speaks about the necessity of being adaptable in leadership, especially when faced with diverse needs across different wards. She emphasizes the importance of relying on Heavenly Father and being open to the Spirit to guide her decisions. * Fostering Spiritual Resilience: Drawing from her own life experiences, Angela discusses how spiritual resilience is crucial for both leaders and members. She shares personal stories of overcoming challenges and how this resilience can inspire others to keep moving forward in their faith. * Cultivating a Culture of Love and Growth: Angela stresses the importance of creating an environment where individuals feel loved and supported. She describes how building relationships with other leaders and members fosters a sense of community and encourages open dialogue about struggles and successes. 00:03:40 - Angela's Background and Move to Indiana 00:04:51 - Transition to Stake Primary President 00:05:49 - Initial Orientation in Leadership 00:07:10 - Navigating Leadership as a Convert 00:08:57 - Visiting Wards and Branches 00:09:48 - Scheduling Visits 00:10:45 - Personal Experiences and Challenges 00:12:23 - Building Relationships in Leadership 00:16:22 - Embracing Flexibility and Personal Growth 00:19:26 - Fostering Spiritual Resilience 00:25:54 - Cultivating a Culture of Love and Growth 00:30:47 - Windshield Time and Connection 00:32:27 - Unique Activities in the Stake 00:34:00 - Navigating Stake and Ward Dynamics 00:35:33 - Final Thoughts on Leadership and Love The award-winning Leading Saints Podcast is one of the top independent Latter-day Saints podcasts as part of nonprofit Leading Saints...

Transcribed - Published: 10 July 2025

Kurt Francom reads this Brigham Young University devotional given by Elder Boyd K. Packer in 1996. Listen to the podcast episode about this devotional and its influence on leadership culture in the Church. Links Share your thoughts in the Leading Saints community Read the transcript of this podcast Get 14-day access to the Core Leader Library Highlights 00:02:00 - The Importance of Teaching Basics 00:03:30 - The Foundation of Knowledge and Testimony 00:05:00 - Understanding the Unwritten Order of Things 00:06:30 - The Role of the Presiding Officer in Meetings 00:08:00 - Accepting Calls and Releases in the Church 00:09:30 - Learning from Experienced Leaders 00:11:00 - Seeking Counsel and Blessings 00:12:30 - The Vertical Nature of Revelation 00:14:00 - The Importance of Being a Good Follower 00:15:30 - Proper Order in Callings and Assignments 00:17:00 - Maintaining Dignity in Meetings 00:18:30 - The Role of the Bishop in Meetings 00:20:00 - Learning Through Observation and Experience 00:21:30 - The Power of the Ordinary Saints The award-winning Leading Saints Podcast is one of the top independent Latter-day Saints podcasts as part of nonprofit Leading Saints' mission to help Latter-day Saints be better prepared to lead. Learn more and listen to any of the past episodes for free at LeadingSaints.org. Past guests include Emily Belle Freeman, David Butler, Hank Smith, John Bytheway, Reyna and Elena Aburto, Liz Wiseman, Stephen M. R. Covey, Elder Alvin F. Meredith III, Julie Beck, Brad Wilcox, Jody Moore, Tony Overbay, John H. Groberg, Elaine Dalton, Tad R. Callister,

Transcribed - Published: 28 June 2025

Kurt Francom, Executive Director of Leading Saints, shares his thoughts on the unwritten order of things—a term popularized by Elder Boyd K. Packer in a BYU devotional in October 1996. This phrase has influenced leadership culture in the Church, often being used as a trump card to justify certain practices or norms that are not explicitly documented in church handbooks. Listen to a reading of the original devotional. Links Is Aspiring Wrong? Church Doctrine, Policy, & Leadership | An Interview with Anthony Sweat Y Religion: Defining Church Doctrine, with Michael Goodman The Role of Doubt and Faith | An Interview With Prof. Michael Goodman Share your thoughts in the Leading Saints community Read the transcript of this podcast Get 14-day access to the Core Leader Library Highlights Kurt explores the context of Elder Packer's talk, highlighting the challenges of leadership in the 1990s when handbooks were not publicly accessible. He emphasizes the importance of understanding the principles behind leadership practices rather than blindly adhering to unwritten rules that may not serve the best interests of the community. He outlines the ten unwritten orders of things mentioned by Elder Packer, assessing whether each principle is supported by the church handbook. While some of these principles align with current guidelines, others are not formally recognized, raising questions about their validity and application in modern leadership. Kurt encourages listeners to consider the implications of using the unwritten order of things as a means of manipulation or control, and advocates for a more open dialogue about leadership best practices, urging leaders to communicate their expectations clearly rather than relying on vague traditions. He invites listeners to engage in this conversation, share their experiences, and contribute to a culture of effective leadership where the church can more-effectively draw people to Christ. 00:02:47 - Context of Elder Packer's Talk 00:04:11 - The Unwritten Order of Things Explained 00:05:24 - Weaponization of the Unwritten Order 00:06:05 - Importance of Context in Leadership 00:07:51 - Changes in Handbook Accessibility 00:09:05 - Elder Packer's Teaching Style 00:10:08 - Challenges in Communicating Leadership Guidelines 00:11:22 - The Role of General Authorities in Leadership 00:12:03 - Misinterpretation of the Unwritten Order 00:13:40 - Elder Packer's Ten Unwritten Orders 00:14:01 - Analysis of Each Unwritten Order 00:19:05 - The Role of Personal Counsel in Leadership 00:20:30 - Observing Church Customs and Traditions 00:21:23 - Setting a Tone of Dignity in Meetings 00:22:06 - The Balance of Leadership and Followership 00:23:20 - Binding Nature of the Unwritten Order 00:24:03 - Current Unwritten Orders in Leadership 00:25:07 - The Tyranny of General Authority

Transcribed - Published: 28 June 2025

Jeff Strong worked nearly 30 years in the consumer products industry as a senior executive at Procter & Gamble and global president and chief customer officer at Johnson & Johnson. He then taught in the Marriott School of Business at Brigham Young University and worked as an advisor to the Church before serving as a mission leader in the Arkansas Bentonville Mission. Jeff has since spent several years doing research on why people are leaving the Church. While not a professional researcher, his career involved a large amount of research and the research he shares in this podcast was done with the help of some of the top Latter-day Saint researchers in the world. Today, Jeff lives in Midway, Utah, and stays busy with a little lavender farm, some business consulting, and enjoying family. Links Slides: Tension Between Tradition and Change Listen to Part 2: 6 Types of People in Your Ward | An Interview with Jeff Strong Share your thoughts in the Leading Saints community Transcript coming soon Get 14-day access to the Core Leader Library Highlights In this conversation, Jeff dives deep into the tension between church culture and personal beliefs, and how embracing it can lead to growth and understanding within our church community. He discusses the findings from a comprehensive survey that aimed to understand disaffiliation and the tensions members experience in their church lives. A key takeaway is the importance of understanding what members love about the Church, revealing the core values that bind members together, despite the tensions they may feel. Jeff talks about the tensions present in church culture, emphasizing the dual facets of this conflict: the tension between tradition and change, and the tension arising from our differences. He explores how members often feel a significant conflict in their church experience, with many expressing discomfort with the culture. Jeff presents data indicating that nearly half of the respondents felt a significant conflict, and more than half did not feel a strong sense of belonging in their congregations. Throughout the conversation, he emphasizes the importance of recognizing and embracing this tension rather than attempting to eliminate it. 00:02:40 - Purpose of the Survey on Disaffiliation 00:05:12 - Survey Response Insights 00:07:38 - What People Love About the Church 00:10:30 - Core Values of Church Members 00:12:33 - Strengths of the Church 00:13:10 - Tension Between Tradition and Change 00:16:00 - Navigating Cultural Differences 00:19:15 - Understanding Tension in Church Experience 00:22:10 - Data on Comfort and Belonging 00:23:38 - Recognizing Conflict in the Congregation 00:30:02 - Tension Between Personal and Cultural Values 00:35:44 - Embracing Tension in Leadership 00:40:08 - Creating a Safe Space for Tension The award-winning Leading Saints Podcast is one of the top independent Latter-day Saints podcasts as part of nonprofit Leading Saints' mission to help Latter-day Saints be better prepared to lead. Learn more and listen to any of the past episodes for free at LeadingSaints.org. Past guests include Emily Belle Freeman,

Transcribed - Published: 21 June 2025

Jeff Strong worked nearly 30 years in the consumer products industry as a senior executive at Procter & Gamble and global president and chief customer officer at Johnson & Johnson. He then taught in the Marriott School of Business at Brigham Young University and worked as an advisor to The Church before serving as a mission leader in the Arkansas Bentonville Mission. Jeff has since spent several years doing research on why people are leaving the Church. While not a professional researcher, his career involved a large amount of research and the research he shares in this podcast was done with the help of some of the top Latter-day Saint researchers in the world. Today, Jeff lives in Midway, Utah, and stays busy with a little lavender farm, some business consulting, and enjoying family. Links Share your thoughts in the Leading Saints community Transcript coming soon Get 14-day access to the Core Leader Library Highlights In this conversation, Jeff dives deep into the tension between church culture and personal beliefs, and how embracing it can lead to growth and understanding within our church community. He discusses the findings from a comprehensive survey that aimed to understand disaffiliation and the tensions members experience in their church lives. A key takeaway is the importance of understanding what members love about The Church, revealing the core values that bind members together, despite the tensions they may feel. Jeff talks about the tensions present in church culture, emphasizing the dual facets of this conflict: the tension between tradition and change, and the tension arising from our differences. He explores how members often feel a significant conflict in their church experience, with many expressing discomfort with the culture. Jeff presents data indicating that nearly half of the respondents felt a significant conflict, and more than half did not feel a strong sense of belonging in their congregations. Throughout the conversation, he emphasizes the importance of recognizing and embracing this tension rather than attempting to eliminate it. 00:02:40 - Purpose of the Survey on Disaffiliation 00:05:12 - Survey Response Insights 00:07:38 - What People Love About the Church 00:10:30 - Core Values of Church Members 00:12:33 - Strengths of the Church 00:13:10 - Tension Between Tradition and Change 00:16:00 - Navigating Cultural Differences 00:19:15 - Understanding Tension in Church Experience 00:22:10 - Data on Comfort and Belonging 00:23:38 - Recognizing Conflict in the Congregation 00:30:02 - Tension Between Personal and Cultural Values 00:35:44 - Embracing Tension in Leadership 00:40:08 - Creating a Safe Space for Tension The award-winning Leading Saints Podcast is one of the top independent Latter-day Saints podcasts as part of nonprofit Leading Saints' mission to help Latter-day Saints be better prepared to lead. Learn more and listen to any of the past episodes for free at LeadingSaints.org. Past guests include Emily Belle Freeman, David Butler, Hank Smith, John Bytheway,

Transcribed - Published: 21 June 2025

Patrick Sedivy is the Founder and CEO of Cumorah Academy, a non-profit private school dedicated to empowering individuals to follow Jesus Christ and positively impact their lives, careers, and communities. His commitment to service and leadership is rooted in his faith and family background—his parents defected from communist Czechoslovakia in 1969 in search of religious freedom, and he later served as a missionary in the Czech Republic. Patrick and his wife, Allyse, share a passion for inspiring and guiding young adults, which led them to establish Cumorah Academy. Patrick also serves as CEO of HYPE, a program dedicated to empowering youth and creating unforgettable experiences. Links CumorahAcademy.org GoHYPE.org Share your thoughts in the Leading Saints community Transcript coming soon Get 14-day access to the Core Leader Library Highlights 00:03:39 - The Vision Behind Cumorah Academy 00:05:23 - Understanding the Structure of Cumorah Academy 00:06:30 - The Importance of Leadership Skills 00:08:00 - Who Can Attend Cumorah Academy? 00:09:49 - The International Reach of Cumorah Academy 00:10:34 - Tuition and Scholarships 00:12:26 - Language and Learning Environment 00:13:11 - Success Stories from Cumorah Academy 00:14:41 - Transformative Experiences of Students 00:16:25 - The Need for Continuous Learning 00:17:42 - Addressing the Transition Challenges for Young Adults 00:18:50 - Curriculum Overview and Key Principles 00:19:28 - Accountability and Personal Growth 00:20:34 - Conflict Resolution Skills 00:22:08 - Interactive Learning Methodology 00:23:40 - Balancing Workload and Downtime 00:25:57 - Creating Positive Connections Among Students 00:27:36 - The Role of Visiting Mentors 00:29:50 - Public Speaking and Presentation Skills 00:31:07 - Leadership Curriculum and Modules 00:32:54 - Holistic Approach to Student Well-being 00:34:37 - Measuring Emotional Resilience and Hopefulness 00:36:39 - The Importance of Human Connection 00:38:06 - Opportunities for Mentorship and Involvement 00:39:49 - Conclusion and Resources for Further Engagement 00:41:13 - Introducing Hype: Humanitarian Leadership Experience The award-winning Leading Saints Podcast is one of the top independent Latter-day Saints podcasts as part of nonprofit Leading Saints' mission to help Latter-day Saints be better prepared to lead. Learn more and listen to any of the past episodes for free at LeadingSaints.org. Past guests include Emily Belle Freeman, David Butler, Hank Smith, John Bytheway, Reyna and Elena Aburto, Liz Wiseman,

Transcribed - Published: 15 June 2025

This is a rebroadcast. The episode originally ran in March 2018. Adam McHugh is an author, former hospice chaplain, spiritual director, and minister, and now a wine tour guide and sommelier. The author of Introverts in the Church: Finding Our Place in an Extroverted Culture, he is an ordained Presbyterian minister, having earned a Masters of Divinity and Masters of Theology in Greek New Testament from Princeton Theological Seminary. He is also the author of The Listening Life: Embracing Attentiveness in a World of Distraction. Since this interview was recorded he has written a memoir, Blood from a Stone. Adam lives in California's Santa Ynez Valley, and may be the only person published in both Psychology Today and Wine Enthusiast. Links Introverts in the Church: Finding Our Place in an Extroverted Culture The Listening Life: Embracing Attentiveness in a World of Distraction Share your thoughts in the Leading Saints community Read the transcript of this podcast Get 14-day access to the Core Leader Library Highlights 4:30 Becoming an ordained minister 7:30 What led to writing Introverts in the Church 10:50 Explanation of introversion and extroversion 16:00 Problems that introverts experience at church 19:00 Understanding the discomfort of personal vulnerability and sharing beliefs as an expression of faith 22:00 Introverts generally prefer depth over breadth 24:00 The power of listening: experience at a hospital 30:00 Introverts and small talk 34:00 How introverts approach dealing with conflict and decisions 40:00 Silence, reverence, and the internal experience compared to active social environments 45:20 Cultural clash of introvert and extrovert leaders: overcoming stereotypes and encouraging introverts to be leaders 48:50 Reaching out to invite introverts to participate The award-winning Leading Saints Podcast is one of the top independent Latter-day Saints podcasts as part of nonprofit Leading Saints' mission to help Latter-day Saints be better prepared to lead. Learn more and listen to any of the past episodes for free at LeadingSaints.org. Past guests include Emily Belle Freeman, David Butler, Hank Smith, John Bytheway, Reyna and Elena Aburto, Liz Wiseman, Stephen M. R. Covey,

Transcribed - Published: 11 June 2025

Scott Rasband worked 15 years in medical device sales and leadership before transitioning to Chick-fil-A, and has spent the last 10 years operating the Chick-fil-A in Spanish Fork, Utah. In the Church, Scott has served as a Young Men president, elders quorum president, bishopric counselor, and bishop. He is the father of five and currently serves as the bishop of a Young Single Adult ward. Links Share your thoughts in the Leading Saints community Read the transcript of this podcast Get 14-day access to the Core Leader Library Highlights Scott Rasband wears two significant hats: he is both the owner of a Chick-fil-A restaurant in Spanish Fork, Utah, and a YSA bishop. He describes the values instilled by the Cathy family, owners of the Chick-fil-A brand, and how these values shape the experience for both employees and customers. He emphasizes the importance of local ownership and how it fosters a sense of community and connection. Scott talks about "second mile service," a principle derived from Matthew 5:41, which encourages going above and beyond for others. He illustrates this concept with anecdotes from his restaurant—moments that create emotional connections and leave a lasting impression on customers. Scott shares insights into his role as a YSA bishop, where he applies similar leadership principles. He discusses the importance of being present, allowing young adults to lead, and connecting them to a higher purpose. Informal gatherings, like "Straggler Sundays" at his home, foster community and build trust among ward members. Scott's approach to leadership is characterized by vulnerability and accessibility, as he actively reaches out to members through texts and personal interactions. He highlights the significance of mentorship and the power of creating a culture where young adults feel valued and empowered. 00:02:14 - Chick-fil-A Culture and Leadership 00:04:03 - Scott's Background and Experience 00:05:10 - Positive Perspectives on Young Adults 00:06:24 - Connecting Youth to Jesus Christ 00:07:13 - Chick-fil-A's Unique Organizational Culture 00:09:25 - The Importance of Sunday Closure 00:11:22 - Mission to Be the World's Most Caring Company 00:12:22 - Translating Mission Statements into Action 00:13:41 - Servant Leadership in Action 00:14:56 - The Impact of Chick-fil-A's Values 00:16:05 - Local Ownership and Community Impact 00:17:02 - The Role of Personal Connection in Leadership 00:18:10 - Examples of Chick-fil-A's Customer Experience 00:20:10 - Core Four Principles for Employee Interaction 00:22:36 - The Origin of "My Pleasure" 00:23:09 - The Significance of Culture in Organizations 00:24:26 - Retention and Employee Satisfaction 00:25:38 - Patterns of Gathering in the YSA Ward 00:27:44 - Straggler Sunday Concept 00:28:59 - Informal Gatherings and Building Relationships 00:29:20 - Digital Relationships with Ward Members 00:30:48 - The Importance of Availability 00:32:06 - Mentoring and Leadership Development 00:33:11 - Involving Spouses in Ministry 00:34:05 - Creating a Culture of Vulnerability 00:35:09 - The Role of Surprise and Delight 00:36:11 - Letting Young Adults Lead

Transcribed - Published: 7 June 2025

Listen to the original interview. Brenda Angle is an author and a certified faith-based life coach and speaker who has also trained and certified 200 other faith-based life coaches. She has served as president of United Families for Arizona and as an NGO lobbyist at the United Nations. In her humanitarian work, she has served as vice president of Hearts and Hands for Humanity, vice president director of philanthropy for Legacy Giving Fund, and has traveled to Tanzania, Africa for eight years. At church, she has served as a Young Women president, Primary president, stake and ward Relief Society president, stake camp director, and as a service missionary teaching study skills at the Provo Missionary Training Center. Brenda is the mother of nine children and grandmother of 40. Links Gathering African Saints to the Temple | A How I Lead Interview with Brenda Angle Share your thoughts in the Leading Saints community Transcript coming soon Get 14-day access to the Core Leader Library Highlights Brenda tells about the remarkable project she spearheaded: organizing a temple trip for over 500 individuals from Tanzania to the Nairobi, Kenya temple during its open house. Brenda recounts how the idea for this trip blossomed from a small initiative to take a handful of people to the temple into a massive undertaking that involved 13 buses and more than 500 participants, including members of the church, investigators, and even orphans. The excitement grew rapidly, and with the help of the Leading Saints community we were able to raise significant funds to support this endeavor. Brenda shared her awe at the generosity of our audience, which allowed her to cover costs for transportation, lodging, and meals for all participants. The journey was fraught with obstacles, yet the spirit of the participants remained high and their gratitude was palpable. Brenda describes the emotional impact of the experience, especially for those who had never seen a temple before. She emphasizes the transformative power of the temple and how this trip will not only impact the individuals who attended but also strengthen The Church in Tanzania. 00:01:41 - Brenda Angle's Humanitarian Project Recap of the previous interview with Brenda. 00:04:22 - Planning the Temple Trip Brenda discusses the initial idea and planning stages for taking people from Tanzania to the Nairobi Kenya temple. 00:06:57 - Fundraising Success Details on the overwhelming support and donations received from the Leading Saints audience to fund the trip. 00:09:20 - Organizing the Trip Brenda describes the logistics of organizing multiple buses and the challenges faced leading up to the trip. 00:12:08 - Challenges on Departure Day An account of the chaos and challenges encountered on the day of departure. 00:15:20 - Arrival in Nairobi The experience of arriving in Nairobi, including accommodations and feeding the participants. 00:17:03 - Experiencing the Temple Describing the participants' experiences at the temple, including their reactions and feelings. 00:20:32 - Diverse Participants Discussion on the demographics of the participants, including members, investigators, and orphans. 00:22:24 - Temple Grounds and Activities Details about the activities on the temple grounds and the emotional impact on the participants.

Transcribed - Published: 4 June 2025

Ryan Gottfredson, Ph.D. is a cutting-edge leadership development author, researcher, and consultant. He helps organizations vertically develop their leaders primarily through a focus on mindsets. Ryan is the Wall Street Journal and USA Today best-selling author of Success Mindsets, The Elevated Leader, and Becoming Better. He is also a leadership professor at the College of Business and Economics at California State University-Fullerton. Links RyanGottfredson.com Personal mindset assessment Vertical development assessment Ryan's books: Becoming Better: The Groundbreaking Science of Personal Transformation Success Mindsets: The Key to Unlocking Greater Success in Your Life, Work, & Leadership The Elevated Leader: Leveling Up Your Leadership Through Vertical Development Previous podcasts with Ryan: What About Our Culture is Holding Us Back? Is There a Correlation Between Losing Faith and Moving? The Research Behind Becoming Christlike Is Your Mindset Limiting Your Leadership? What Every Leader Should Consider About Community in Their Ward Articles by Ryan at LeadingSaints.org Share your thoughts in the Leading Saints community Read the transcript of this podcast Get 14-day access to the Core Leader Library Highlights Ryan talks about personal development and becoming better leaders through understanding our own complexities and healing. He explores the science of sanctification and the difference between merely doing better and truly becoming better, focusing on our "being side"—the quality of our internal operating system—rather than just our "doing side," which encompasses our skills and knowledge. Learning this distinction can help leaders as they support others who are struggling in their lives. Ryan explains how our relationships with risk, failure, conflict, and even ourselves can reveal the quality of our being. Many leaders operate from a place of fear or insecurity, which can limit their effectiveness and impact. Ryan explores the concept of the "window of tolerance," which refers to our ability to manage stress and emotional responses. He explains how a narrow window can lead to reactivity, while a wider window allows for greater emotional regulat...

Transcribed - Published: 31 May 2025

Bill Luker served in the U.S. Army Reserve and was part of one of the first graduating classes in Computer Science from the University of Utah. He worked as a computer engineer/programmer for Sperry UNIVAC, Evans & Sutherland, and The Church. Bill has played the piano since age six and the organ since age 13, studying with two Tabernacle organists. He currently serves as a stake patriarch and assists the Tabernacle organists. He has previously served as a missionary in Ireland, a teacher, ward and stake organist, as a bishop and in multiple bishoprics, and as a stake president. Lynn Peterson is retired from the U.S. Air Force. He currently serves as a Primary chorister with his wife Cindy, and loves it. He has previously served as a missionary in the North British Mission, a Primary and Sunday School teacher, elders quorum president, stake high councilor, bishop, and in a stake presidency. He has also served three church service missions with the Salt Lake Cannery, Temple Square security, and the University of Utah First Stake. Rick Francom is Kurt's father. He served as a bishop twice, once in a newly-formed and highly-transitory ward that was made up entirely of apartments. He was one of the last bishops to be ordained by a member of the Quorum of Twelve Apostles in the regular process of being called as a bishop. Links Share your thoughts in the Leading Saints community. Read the transcript of this podcast Get 14-day access to the Core Leader Library Highlights In this episode we take a nostalgic journey back to the 1970s and 1980s, delving into the experiences, challenges, and dynamics of church leadership in a different era. We touch on various topics, including administrative tasks, welfare programs, the emotional toll of leadership, and the sometimes-unconventional challenges bishops faced. 00:06:08 - Lynn Peterson's Bishopric Experience Lynn shares his experience of being called as a bishop in 1980 and the transition to the new block schedule. 00:07:40 - Bill Luker's Brief Bishopric Tenure Bill discusses his short time as bishop before being called as stake president. 00:08:53 - Rick Francom's Journey as Bishop Rick recounts his experience of being called as a bishop at a young age and the challenges he faced. 00:12:26 - Ordination by a General Authority Rick shares the process of being ordained by an apostle and the significance of that experience. 00:15:35 - Lynn's Unexpected Call Lynn reflects on his unexpected call to be bishop and the learning curve that followed. 00:17:09 - Bill's Stake Presidency Call Bill shares his experience of being called as stake president shortly after serving as bishop. 00:19:07 - Leadership Challenges Discussion on the feelings of inadequacy and the reliance on the Spirit in leadership roles. 00:25:26 - Financial Concerns in Leadership Exploration of the financial challenges faced by church leaders in the 70s and 80s. 00:28:12 - Budgeting and Fundraising Discussion on the complexities of ward budgeting and fundraising efforts in the past. 00:30:38 - Welfare and Assistance Programs Insights into the welfare system and how leaders managed assistance for members in need. 00:33:02 - Administrative Tasks and Check Writing Discussion on the administrative responsibilities of bishops,

Transcribed - Published: 24 May 2025

Brandon Doman was born in Salt Lake City, Utah, and graduated from Skyline High School. He was quarterback for Brigham Young University Football and then for the San Francisco 49ers. Brandon has since been BYU Football's quarterbacks coach and currently offensive coordinator. He is also president and co-owner of Leap Innovations, developing and manufacturing trailer hitches, precast decorative concrete landscape products, outdoor basketball hoops, pickleball nets, and outdoor lighting. Brandon is married to Alisha Barker and they have six children, ages nine through 23. He currently serves as stake president of the Alpine Utah YSA Stake. Links Share your thoughts in the Leading Saints community Transcript coming soon Get 14-day access to the Core Leader Library Highlights Brandon talks about the parallels between athletic and church leadership as a YSA stake president, and the principles that translate from sports to his current church role, emphasizing service and love in his leadership approach. The conversation delves into the impact of Brandon's high school coach, Roger Dupaix, and his unique coaching style, which instilled work ethic, consistency, and attention to detail. Brandon shares how these principles seamlessly transitioned to his college football experience at BYU under the legendary coach Lavell Edwards. He illustrates Lavell's unwavering leadership, delegation style, and the environment of trust he fostered among his coaches. Brandon reflects on his experience as a counselor in a married student ward bishopric while still playing at BYU—an early calling that provided valuable spiritual growth and a crucial perspective. Currently serving as a stake president for a young single adult stake, Brandon shares the unique aspects of this calling, including the transition to having young adults in all leadership positions. He notes the challenges faced by young adults today and how the stake strives to create a supportive and spiritually nourishing environment. The discussion explores the specifics of leading a YSA stake, including the geographic considerations and the collaborative approach with family stakes in calling bishops. Brandon emphasizes the role of the bishop and his wife as examples and guides for the young adults. He also discusses the dynamic with his counselors and the focus on temple ordinances and training. Brandon shares key principles, such as prioritizing the most important aspects and the constant need to adapt and learn. He highlights the valuable training provided by church leadership, the importance of finding and gathering all individuals, and his belief in the divine potential of each young adult to receive a full inheritance. 00:00:00 - Introduction to YSA Leadership and Transition 00:03:24 - Brandon Doman's Early Faith Development and Family Influence 00:06:03 - Family Challenges and the Pursuit of Football Scholarships 00:07:30 - The Role of Sports and Parental Involvement in Childhood 00:13:05 - Influence of High School Coach Roger Dupe and His Principles 00:15:49 - Transition to BYU Football and Lavell Edwards' Coaching 00:20:48 - A Leadership Lesson from Lavell Edwards' Consistency 00:23:19 - Lavell Edwards' Delegation and Trust in His Coaches 00:24:53 - Early Church Leadership as a BYU Quarterback 00:28:30 - Calling as a Stake President for Young Single Adults 00:33:15 - Challenges and Needs of Young Adults in Today's World 00:37:57 - Orienting Bishops in Young Single Adult Wards<b...

Transcribed - Published: 17 May 2025

Calvin Griffin was born in Northern Mississippi, where he grew up and attended high school and college. After graduation he became a franchisee of a successful national pizza chain in New Orleans, and also became engaged to Avemaria Champagne. President and Sister Griffin joined The Church one month apart from each other and have been faithful members for 37 years. They were both professionals in the pharmaceutical industry, and President Griffin worked as a senior category manager for a national pharmaceutical wholesale company. They have five children, ages 24 to 34 years. President Griffin has a strong testimony of Jesus Christ and His role as Savior & Redeemer. He has served in a stake mission presidency, as a ward mission leader, Sunday School teacher, Young Men basketball coach, in an elders quorum presidency and high priest group leadership, as a bishop and stake high councilor, and as a stake presidency counselor. He currently serves as president of the Denton, Texas stake, loves the gospel, and extends an invitation to all to come unto Christ. Links Share your thoughts in the Leading Saints community Transcript coming soon Get 14-day access to the Core Leader Library Highlights President Griffin shares his conversion story and leadership journey. He discusses his experiences as a leader and emphasizes the importance of aligning oneself with prophetic keys and the Spirit. President Griffin highlights the need to expect the unexpected in leadership. He also shares how he connects with and cares for his ward members, despite his busy calling. Highlights coming soon The award-winning Leading Saints Podcast is one of the top independent Latter-day Saints podcasts as part of nonprofit Leading Saints' mission to help Latter-day Saints be better prepared to lead. Learn more and listen to any of the past episodes for free at LeadingSaints.org. Past guests include Emily Belle Freeman, David Butler, Hank Smith, John Bytheway, Reyna and Elena Aburto, Liz Wiseman, Stephen M. R. Covey, Elder Alvin F. Meredith III, Julie Beck, Brad Wilcox, Jody Moore, Tony Overbay, John H. Groberg, Elaine Dalton,

Transcribed - Published: 14 May 2025

Jennifer Rockwood is the first and only head coach for the Brigham Young University women's soccer team, a position she has held since 1989 after graduating from BYU. Her teams have over 450 wins and made the NCAA tournament 25 times in 31 years. She talks about her career path and the leadership principles she has relied upon in leading young adult women athletes. This podcast was recorded with a live audience on the 2025 BYU Cruise. Leading Empowered and Confident Young Women | An Interview with Diljeet Taylor Share your thoughts in the Leading Saints community Transcript coming soon Get 14-day access to the Core Leader Library Highlights Coach Rockwood shares her journey into coaching, her philosophy on leadership, team culture, and her experiences coaching at BYU for decades. She emphasizes the importance of leading within one's own personality, fostering a supportive team environment built on love and respect, and navigating the challenges of coaching young athletes. The conversation also touches on recruiting, dealing with parents, the impact of NIL, the transition to the Big 12 conference, and how her faith has influenced her coaching career. [05:03] Jennifer's Background and Journey into Coaching [05:49] Early Competitive Spirit [06:39] Playing Experience at BYU [08:52] Transition to Coaching at BYU [11:53] Influence of High School Coach [16:14] Engaging Young Single Adults (YSA) [17:31] The Importance of Involvement and Overcoming Failure [21:43] Navigating Intense Youth Sports and Church Activities [23:39] Parental Involvement and Pressure in Youth Sports [25:55] The Parent-Coach Relationship [28:17] Establishing and Maintaining Team Culture [29:27] Recruiting and Building Culture from the Start [31:18] Key Elements of Team Culture: Love and Respect [33:07] Leading Within Your Own Personality [35:47] Helping Struggling Players [37:22] One-on-One Interactions with Players [38:37] Dealing with Team Infighting and Maintaining Unity [40:34] Impact of NIL (Name, Image, Likeness) [42:20] Transition to the Big 12 Conference [44:51] Coaching Staff Roles and Coordination [46:53] Encouraging Support for BYU Women's Soccer [48:13] How Coaching Has Influenced Faith The award-winning Leading Saints Podcast is one of the top independent Latter-day Saints podcasts as part of nonprofit Leading Saints' mission to help Latter-day Saints be better prepared to lead. Learn more and listen to any of the past episodes for free at LeadingSaints.org. Past guests include Emily Belle Freeman, David Butler, Hank Smith, John Bytheway, Reyna and Elena Aburto, Liz Wiseman,

Transcribed - Published: 10 May 2025

Amy Jo Schenewark holds a bachelor's degree in Human Resources Development and Training from Brigham Young University. She works as a 911 dispatcher and training officer. Amy has served as a ward Relief Society, Young Women, and Primary president, as a Seminary teacher, nursery leader, activity director, and counselor in stake Primary and Relief Society presidencies. She currently serves as a stake Relief Society president. Links Share your thoughts in the Leading Saints community Transcript coming soon Get 14-day access to the Core Leader Library Highlights Coming soon The award-winning Leading Saints Podcast is one of the top independent Latter-day Saints podcasts as part of nonprofit Leading Saints' mission to help Latter-day Saints be better prepared to lead. Learn more and listen to any of the past episodes for free at LeadingSaints.org. Past guests include Emily Belle Freeman, David Butler, Hank Smith, John Bytheway, Reyna and Elena Aburto, Liz Wiseman, Stephen M. R. Covey, Elder Alvin F. Meredith III, Julie Beck, Brad Wilcox, Jody Moore, Tony Overbay, John H. Groberg, Elaine Dalton, Tad R. Callister, Lynn G. Robbins, J. Devn Cornish, Bonnie Oscarson, Dennis B. Neuenschwander, Kirby Heyborne, Taysom Hill Anthony Sweat, J...

Transcribed - Published: 7 May 2025

Rick Reynolds is one of America's foremost authorities helping individuals and couples struggling with affairs and compulsive sexual behaviors, with over 30 years of experience and insight. He holds a master's degree in Social Work and is a clinical member of the American Association of Marriage and Family Therapists. Rick's company, Affair Recovery, offers anonymous online group support worldwide for those impacted by infidelity. Rick has authored numerous guides, curricula, and papers detailing reasons why people cheat, how couples can overcome the pain, heartache, and distrust, as well as ways to move forward, both individually and as a couple. Links AffairRecovery.com Share your thoughts in the Leading Saints community Transcript coming soon Get 14-day access to the Core Leader Library Highlights Coming soon The award-winning Leading Saints Podcast is one of the top independent Latter-day Saints podcasts as part of nonprofit Leading Saints' mission to help Latter-day Saints be better prepared to lead. Learn more and listen to any of the past episodes for free at LeadingSaints.org. Past guests include Emily Belle Freeman, David Butler, Hank Smith, John Bytheway, Reyna and Elena Aburto, Liz Wiseman, Stephen M. R. Covey, Elder Alvin F. Meredith III, Julie Beck, Brad Wilcox, Jody Moore, Tony Overbay, John H. Groberg, Elaine Dalton, Tad R. Callister, Lynn G. Robbins, J. Devn Cornish, Bonnie Oscarson, Dennis B. Neuenschwander, Kirby Heyborne,

Transcribed - Published: 3 May 2025

This is a rebroadcast. The episode originally ran in April 2020. Ryan Gottfredson, Ph.D. is a cutting-edge leadership development author, researcher, and consultant. He helps organizations vertically develop their leaders primarily through a focus on mindsets. Ryan is the Wall Street Journal and USA Today best-selling author of Success Mindsets: The Key to Unlocking Greater Success in Your Life, Work, & Leadership and The Elevated Leader: Leveling Up Your Leadership Through Vertical Development. He is also a leadership professor at the College of Business and Economics at California State University-Fullerton. Links RyanGottfredson.com Success Mindsets: Your Keys to Unlocking Greater Success in Life, Work, and Leadership The Elevated Leader: Level Up Your Leadership Through Vertical Development Share your thoughts in the Leading Saints community. Transcript coming soon Get 14-day access to the Core Leader Library Highlights Ryan explores the critical role of mindsets in effective leadership. Leaders often enter their roles with good intentions but may inadvertently create negative environments due to their mindsets. Ryan shares insights on how mindsets shape perceptions and behaviors, using examples from sports and personal experiences. He discusses the difference between closed and open mindsets, highlighting how a closed mindset can hinder effective leadership. He examines the prevention versus promotion mindset, illustrating how focusing on avoiding problems can stifle growth. The conversation encourages leaders to embrace open-mindedness and take calculated risks to foster engagement and positive change within their organizations, ultimately stressing the importance of having a clear vision to guide leadership efforts. 05:45 Value of mindset in assuming leadership responsibilities; NFL example of good intentions gone awry. Leader impact on “subordinate” self-esteem. 11:15 Becoming awakened to our personal mindsets, e.g. homeless individuals 15:00 Do we perceive our leaders as doing their best? Bias towards our personal perceptions vs openness to other possibilities. Unintentional damage to team/group/congregation members. 18:39 Mindset in conducting successful meetings. Chrysler/Lee Iacocca case study. Desire to look good, be right, avoid problems and get ahead are self-focused, negative self-protection modes. We should want to learn and grow, find truth, reach goals, and lift others. 24:05 We limit ourselves by believing our opinions count more than others. 26:00 Decision making becomes stunted if we are closed. Do we desire to be the person with all the answers who minimizes the perspectives of others? Do people feel psychological safety in the group? 31:20 Do we allow formal handbooks to stifle our creativity? 32:50 Prevention mindset vs risk taking. Fleeing to safe comfort zone may not lead to original destination. 36:40 Sacrament meeting mindset 40:30 Comfort-focused vs intention focused. Are the people in the group growing? Do we deem our bucket so full we cannot pour anything else into it by way of considering avenues for growth? 44:00 How do we know if people in the organization are engaged and growing? What drives engagement? Do stakeholders feel their opinions matter? Gallup study reveals 30% of workforce feels truly engaged. 50:15 Only 5% of mindset survey respondents find themselves in the top quartile.

Transcribed - Published: 30 April 2025

Braeden Jensen is a Mental Health Counselor and previously worked as a full-time Seminary teacher. Spending seven years in a high school classroom opened his eyes to a number of things. It changed his ability to listen and sharpened his aptitude for empathy. The more he sat with and listened to students, the more he saw and felt how many people are hurting in very real ways. At the same time, Braeden considered how therapy had helped him find hope and healing. The puzzle pieces quickly came together: "You can help more people in some tangible, substantial ways." After pursuing his Clinical Mental Health Counseling degree, he recently left the classroom full-time to find more fulfillment in helping others enjoy freedom, peace, and healing. He loves seeing people overcome trauma, depression, anxiety, and addiction, and heal their relationships along the way. Braeden shares insights on connecting with youth and helping them navigate their emotions and spiritual journeys. Driven by a desire to provide deeper support, Braeden discusses his transition from teaching seminary to becoming a therapist. He emphasizes emotional literacy, authenticity, and creating safe spaces for youth to express their feelings. Braeden highlights the importance of understanding the youth psyche, addressing issues like pornography, anxiety, and depression. He advocates for integrating emotional awareness in church settings and modeling authenticity for youth, showing it's okay to express struggles and emotions openly. Braeden also discusses surrendering control, trusting in God's plan, changing prayers to invite God into our story, and continuously learning about God. Links BraedenJensen.com @braejensen on Instagram Share your thoughts in the Leading Saints community Transcript coming soon Get 14-day access to the Core Leader Library Highlights 03:57 - Braeden's Career Transition 06:45 - Creating Safe Spaces for Youth 11:45 - Understanding Youth Psyche 18:53 - Emotional Literacy 24:30 - Integrating Emotional Awareness in Church Settings 34:38 - Authenticity and Vulnerability 44:57 - Surrender and Trust in God 48:07 - Changing Prayers 50:24 - Modeling Authenticity 56:33 - Continuous Learning about God The award-winning Leading Saints Podcast is one of the top independent Latter-day Saints podcasts as part of nonprofit Leading Saints' mission to help Latter-day Saints be better prepared to lead. Learn more and listen to any of the past episodes for free at LeadingSaints.org. Past guests include Emily Belle Freeman, David Butler, Hank Smith, John Bytheway, Reyna and Elena Aburto, Liz Wiseman, Stephen M. R. Covey,

Transcribed - Published: 26 April 2025

Kristy Wheelwright Taylor serves as the board secretary for the Wilford Woodruff Papers Foundation and helps with transcription and writing on the Wilford Woodruff Papers Project. Her book, Prepare Me for Thy Use: Lessons from Wilford Woodruff's Mission Years, will be published on May 12 by Deseret Book and BYU's Religious Studies Center. Kristy has a masters degree in Humanities from Brigham Young University and has worked as an English Instructor at Purdue University, a copy editor, technical writer, travel writer, and historical researcher and writer. She has enjoyed serving in a variety of callings in Primary, Young Women, Relief Society, family history, and the stake communications council; she currently serves as the stake Relief Society president in Trophy Club, Texas. Links Prepare Me for Thy Use: Lessons from Wilford Woodruff's Mission Years Developing Wilford Woodruff as a Leader | An Interview with Steven Wheelwright Share your thoughts in the Leading Saints community Transcript coming soon Get 14-day access to the Core Leader Library Highlights This discussion highlights the Wilford Woodruff Papers project, which aims to compile and make accessible all writings related to Woodruff. Kristy shares her family's connection to this project and her experiences as a stake Relief Society president in Texas. Kristy emphasizes the importance of unity among Church leaders and fostering doctrinal confidence among women. She encourages open discussions about challenging topics, such as garments and temple recommends, to help leaders feel prepared. By sharing personal stories and insights from Wilford Woodruff, Kristy illustrates how sincere testimonies can strengthen relationships within the Church. She highlights the beauty of the plan of salvation and the joy it brings to those who follow Jesus Christ. 05:03 - Connection to Wilford Woodruff 06:56 - The Wilford Woodruff Papers Project 09:08 - Overview of Kristy's Book 10:00 - Kristy's Role as Stake Relief Society President 11:07 - Support from Stake Leadership 11:47 - Changes in Stake Leadership Sundays 12:47 - Demographics of the Stake 12:49 - Engaging with the Wards 14:31 - Building Relationships with Ward Leaders 15:38 - Common Challenges in Relief Society 19:29 - Unity in Leadership 20:36 - Importance of Sincere Testimonies 22:42 - Fostering Doctrinal Confidence 27:26 - Encouraging Open Discussions 29:49 - Addressing Hard Questions 32:24 - Collaborating with Other Leaders 36:21 - Normalizing Difficult Conversations 40:36 - The Role of Problem Solving in Leadership The award-winning Leading Saints Podcast is one of the top independent Latter-day Saints podcasts as part of nonprofit Leading Saints' mission to help Latter-day Saints be better prepared to lead. Learn more and listen to any of the past episodes for free at LeadingSaints.org. Past guests include Emily Belle Freeman, David Butler, Hank Smith, John Bytheway,

Transcribed - Published: 23 April 2025

Brian J. Willoughby, Ph.D. is a professor in the School of Family Life at Brigham Young University and a research fellow at The Wheatley Institute. He received a bachelor’s degree in Psychology from BYU and masters and doctoral degrees in Family Social Science from the University of Minnesota. Brian's research generally focuses on how adolescents, young adults, and adults move toward and form long-term committed relationships, and has been widely cited in the media. He is also the author of The Millennial Marriage and The Marriage Paradox: Why Emerging Adults Love Marriage Yet Push it Aside. Brian and his wife Cassi have been married for 23 years and they have four children. Links Wheatley Institute research reports Addressing Pornography Share your thoughts in the Leading Saints community Transcript coming soon Get 14-day access to the Core Leader Library Highlights Kurt and Brian discuss the complexities of pornography use within religious contexts. Brian emphasizes that young adults will encounter pornography, often leading to shame and guilt. He highlights the importance of understanding the motivations behind pornography use, which can range from curiosity to emotional coping mechanisms. Brian also addresses the stigma surrounding addiction labels. He explains that only about 10% of users experience compulsive behavior, while many others face problematic use. Church leaders should focus on creating a safe environment for youth to discuss these issues. By asking questions about triggers and providing coping strategies, leaders can help youth navigate their experiences. Brian encourages a balanced approach to discussing pornography, emphasizing hope, understanding, and the potential for growth through repentance. 03:35 - Brian Willoughby's Expertise in Pornography Research 04:26 - Overview of BYU and the Wheatley Institute 05:57 - Research Impact on Policy and Society 06:57 - Teaching Future Therapists and Family Studies 07:37 - The Stigma of Pornography in Religious Contexts 08:50 - Understanding the Broader Impact of Pornography 09:51 - Meta-Analyses and Key Findings on Pornography 11:38 - The Concept of Addiction and Compulsive Behavior 12:58 - Potential for DSM Inclusion of Hypersexual Disorder 13:47 - Brain Chemistry and Pornography Use 15:29 - Distinction Between Addictive and Problematic Use 17:34 - Scripting Expectations from Pornography 19:24 - Social Media and Its Impact on Mental Health 20:34 - The Need for Open Conversations About Pornography 21:09 - The Role of Church Leaders in Addressing Pornography 22:13 - The Importance of Avoiding Labels of Addiction 23:47 - Understanding Youth Experiences with Pornography 25:56 - The Normative Context of Pornography Use 27:06 - Creating Positive Conversations Around Pornography 28:51 - The Role of Fear and Anxiety in Youth Discussions 30:05 - Normalizing Sin and Repentance 31:04 - Distinction Between Guilt and Shame 34:02 - Motivating Youth Through Guilt vs. Shame 36:57 - The Importance of Understanding Triggers 39:11 - Building Coping Skills for Youth 41:27 - Final Thoughts on Support and Guidance The award-winning Leading Saints Podcast is one of the top independent Latter-day Saints podcasts as part of nonprofit Leading Saints...

Transcribed - Published: 19 April 2025

Ned McArthur is a fellow of the International Board of Functional Neurology, was in private practice as a chiropractor in Orem, Utah, for 25 years, and now works with Integrated Pain Specialists, a multidisciplinary pain clinic in South Jordan, Utah. He served a mission in Dallas, Texas, and has served in the Church as an elders quorum president, ward executive secretary, ward mission leader, Young Men president, Varsity Scout leader, and youth Sunday School teacher. He currently serves as priests quorum high adventure specialist, as a Primary teacher, and a temple worker. Links Share your thoughts in the Leading Saints community Transcript coming soon Scriptures referenced in this podcast: Moses 6:63, 1 Nephi 18:3 Get 14-day access to the Core Leader Library Highlights Ned explores the importance of high adventure activities in developing character and spiritual growth among youth. He shares his journey in youth leadership, emphasizing the need for proactive communication with parents and the significance of creating a supportive environment. He highlights the planning process for high adventure experiences, including engaging youth in decision-making and preparing them through various activities. Ned also discusses the spiritual aspects of these adventures, encouraging youth to find Jesus in their experiences. He shares personal anecdotes that illustrate how these activities foster camaraderie and personal growth. 02:51 - Exploring High Adventure Activities 05:08 - Ned's Background in Young Mens Leadership 10:10 - The Importance of Proactive Leadership 12:13 - Developing a High Adventure Program 16:05 - Planning Party for Youth Activities 20:52 - Preparing for the Backpacking Adventure 24:36 - Budgeting for High Adventure Activities 26:10 - Effective Communication with Parents 30:02 - Engaging with Parents for Support 32:10 - Finding Jesus in High Adventure 38:43 - The Power of Prayer in Activities 42:15 - Building a Supportive Culture Among Youth The award-winning Leading Saints Podcast is one of the top independent Latter-day Saints podcasts as part of nonprofit Leading Saints' mission to help Latter-day Saints be better prepared to lead. Learn more and listen to any of the past episodes for free at LeadingSaints.org. Past guests include Emily Belle Freeman, David Butler, Hank Smith, John Bytheway, Reyna and Elena Aburto, Liz Wiseman, Stephen M. R. Covey,

Transcribed - Published: 16 April 2025

John Eldredge is a New York Times bestselling author, counselor, and teacher who has inspired millions to go deeper in their relationship with Jesus. He is also president of Wild at Heart, a ministry devoted to helping people discover the heart of God, recover their own hearts in God's love, and learn to live in God's kingdom. John and his wife, Stasi, live in Colorado Springs, Colorado. His new book, Experience Jesus. Really. is available now. Links Reconnecting with God as a Distracted Church Leader | An Interview with John Eldredge Helping Others Restore Personal Worship & Connection with God | An Interview with John Eldredge Experience Jesus. Really: Finding Refuge, Strength, and Wonder through Everyday Encounters with God Wild at Heart: Discovering the Secret of a Man’s Soul WildatHeart.org Share your thoughts in the Leading Saints community. Transcript coming soon Get 14-day access to the Core Leader Library Highlights John shares insights from his extensive background as a therapist and author. He encourages listeners to embrace a more experiential relationship with God. John argues that many Christians overlook the importance of intimacy with the divine, often focusing too heavily on intellectual understanding. By inviting God into everyday decisions, individuals can cultivate a deeper spiritual life and seek joy and connection with God in their daily lives. 01:50 - Introduction of John Eldredge 02:30 - John's Background and Work 04:00 - Impact of "Wild at Heart" 05:00 - Evolving Insights on Men's Needs 06:30 - Addressing Modern Challenges for Men 08:00 - The Importance of Validation for Men 09:30 - Engaging Men in Spiritual Discussions 11:00 - Check-in Practices for Men's Groups 12:30 - Spectrogram Activity Reflection 14:00 - Addressing the "I'm Fine" Mentality 15:30 - Entry Points for Men's Retreats 17:00 - Importance of Purpose and Meaning 18:00 - Introduction to "Experience Jesus Really" 19:30 - The Trilogy of John's Books 20:30 - The Need for Experiential Faith 22:00 - The Impact of Internet Life on Spirituality 23:30 - Seeking Rest in God 25:00 - The Role of Desire in Spiritual Life 26:30 - The Concept of Spiritual Amphibians 28:00 - Inviting God into Daily Life 29:30 - The Importance of Mysticism in Faith 31:00 - Understanding Mysticism in Christianity 32:30 - The Need for Experiential Connection with God 34:00 - Ordinary Mystics and Childlike Wonder 35:30 - The Relationship Between Left and Right Brain 37:00 - The Role of Relational Connection in Faith 38:30 - Reframing Mysticism as Experiential Faith 40:00 - Finding God in Creation 41:30 - Communing with God Through Worship 43:00 - Conclusion and Final Thoughts on Experiencing God The award-winning Leading Saints Podcast is one of the top independent Latter-day Saints podcasts as part of nonprofit Leading Saints' mission to help Latter-day Saints be better prepared to lead. Learn more and listen to any of the past episodes for free at LeadingSaints.org. Past guests include

Transcribed - Published: 12 April 2025

Adam focused on creating a safe environment for open discussions, emphasizing that connection precedes meaningful gospel instruction. He shares practical strategies for engaging quorum members, and advocates for a shift from administrative check-ins to genuine conversations about members’ lives, fostering a culture of support and vulnerability.

Transcribed - Published: 9 April 2025

What if your elders quorum could be completely transformed? One elders quorum president has a bold new vision that could reshape Latter-day Saint priesthood meetings, service efforts, and quorum unity. Hayden Holm, co-host of Salty Saints, and guest Daniel Ockey—an Elders Quorum president from Charlotte, North Carolina—shares an innovative approach to revitalizing the elders quorum experience. Daniel's bold new vision could reshape meetings, service efforts, and quorum unity, potentially changing ward culture, ministering, and priesthood responsibilities for the better. This is a rebroadcast of the original conversation from Salty Saints. Links Share your thoughts in the Leading Saints community Transcript coming soon Get 14-day access to the Core Leader Library Highlights Daniel shares his experiences in his newly formed ward, where he describes the challenges of leading a smaller elders quorum that lacked teachers and faced a diverse demographic, from new fathers to retirees. Daniel candidly reflects on his own disillusionment with traditional elders quorum meetings, which often felt unengaging and disconnected. Inspired by a Christian men's group he attended, he implemented a round-table format with snacks to foster socialization and brotherhood among the members. This approach encourages men to bond over food and engage in meaningful discussions, breaking away from the typical lecture-style meetings. Daniel also introduced anonymous surveys to identify the needs and challenges faced by the brethren, allowing for more relevant and impactful discussions during meetings. He shares examples of the types of questions raised, such as concerns about worthiness to take the sacrament and the struggle of helping children return to church. The episode emphasizes the importance of creating a welcoming and engaging environment in elders quorum, where members feel comfortable sharing their struggles and seeking support. Daniel's initiatives have led to increased attendance and participation, with even members from other wards joining in. He encourages other elders quorum presidencies to seek inspiration through prayer and to be open to change, ultimately aiming to create a more vibrant and supportive community within the church. 01:55 - Introduction to Salty Saints YouTube Channel 02:38 - Interview with Daniel Oki, Elders Quorum President 03:46 - Description of Daniel's Ward and Elders Quorum 05:05 - Discussion on the Demographics of the Ward 06:43 - Daniel's Experience with Elders Quorum 08:15 - Changing the Elders Quorum Experience 08:49 - Implementing Round Tables and Snacks 10:43 - Creating a Comfortable Social Environment 12:27 - Importance of Engaging Discussions 13:42 - Anonymous Surveys for Needs and Challenges 15:05 - Addressing Difficult Questions in Elders Quorum 16:15 - Moving Beyond Fluff in Lessons 17:15 - Utilizing Church Resources for Discussions 18:04 - Positive Changes in Elders Quorum Attendance 19:28 - Daniel's Approach to Leadership and Change 21:09 - Engagement and Feedback from the Relief Society 22:07 - Setting Up and Taking Down Tables 24:07 - Positive Reception from High Priests 25:12 - Sisters' Reactions to the Changes 26:09 - Advice for Elders Quorum Presidencies 29:34 - Encouragement for Elders Seeking Connection The award-winning Leading Saints Podcast is one of the top independent Latter-day Saints podcasts as part of nonp...

Transcribed - Published: 3 April 2025

Justin Dyer received BA in Marriage and Family from Brigham Young University and a Master's and Ph.D. in Human Development and Family Studies from the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign. He also has expertise in statistics. Justin is a professor of religion at BYU, teaching religion and family classes, and focuses his research on religion and mental health. He has published over 70 peer-reviewed studies in scholarly journals. Justin has served in various Church callings including full-time missionary in Brazil, Primary teacher, early morning Seminary teacher, Young Men leader, and bishop. He currently serves as a ward missionary. Most importantly, Justin has been married for 22 years and has six children whom he loves to inundate with the most recent, intriguing research graphs he has created. Links Share your thoughts in the Leading Saints community Transcript coming soon Get 14-day access to the Core Leader Library Highlights Justin talks about toxic perfectionism, particularly within the context of Latter-day Saints. He shares his research findings, which challenge the common belief that Latter-day Saints are inherently more prone to toxic perfectionism than individuals from other religious backgrounds. He explains that while 12% of Latter-day Saint youth exhibit high levels of toxic perfectionism, this figure is lower than the 20% found among atheists and agnostics, suggesting that toxic perfectionism is a broader human tendency rather than a specific issue tied to religious beliefs. The conversation delves into the nuances of perfectionism, distinguishing between healthy striving for high standards and the detrimental effects of toxic perfectionism, which can lead to feelings of worthlessness and shame. Justin emphasizes the importance of fostering a secure attachment to God, which can mitigate feelings of toxic perfectionism. He highlights the role of parents and leaders in creating an environment of love and support, rather than shame, to help youth navigate their identities and self-worth. The episode also addresses the challenges faced by LGBTQ youth within religious contexts, advocating for a compassionate approach that maintains the value of religious teachings while providing necessary support. The conversation underscores the significance of identity and the need for leaders and parents to remind youth of their inherent worth as children of God, encouraging them to strive for high standards without the burden of toxic perfectionism. 01:41 - Introduction of Justin Dyer and Research Focus 02:56 - Exploring Toxic Perfectionism 03:41 - Research Intent and Methodology 05:12 - Understanding Toxic Perfectionism 06:48 - Healthy vs. Toxic Perfectionism 09:46 - Impact of Perfectionism on Identity 10:33 - Balancing Standards and Self-Worth 12:06 - The Role of Perfectionism in Religious Context 13:13 - Addressing Youth and Leadership Dynamics 14:03 - The Challenge of Leadership Messaging 16:44 - Data Insights on Toxic Perfectionism 20:06 - The Role of Religion in Mental Health 22:44 - Encouraging a Positive Gospel Experience 24:33 - Parenting and Toxic Perfectionism in Youth 27:01 - The Importance of Love in Parenting 28:51 - The Impact of Parental Relationships on Identity 30:41 - Navigating Adolescence and Identity 32:27 - The Dangers of Silent Suffering 34:13 - Encouraging Healthy Standards in Youth 36:36 - Addressing LGBTQ Dynamics in Religious Context 38:10 - The Importance of Individualized Support 40:06 - Adult Experiences with Toxic Perfectionism 42:29 - Building a Secure Relationship with God

Transcribed - Published: 29 March 2025

Justin Dyer received BA in Marriage and Family from Brigham Young University and a Master's and Ph.D. in Human Development and Family Studies from the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign. He also has expertise in statistics. Justin is a professor of religion at BYU, teaching religion and family classes, and focuses his research on religion and mental health. He has published over 70 peer-reviewed studies in scholarly journals. Justin has served in various Church callings including full-time missionary in Brazil, Primary teacher, early morning Seminary teacher, Young Men leader, and bishop. He currently serves as a ward missionary. Most importantly, Justin has been married for 22 years and has six children whom he loves to inundate with the most recent, intriguing research graphs he has created. Links Share your thoughts in the Leading Saints community Transcript coming soon Get 14-day access to the Core Leader Library Highlights Justin talks about toxic perfectionism, particularly within the context of Latter-day Saints. He shares his research findings, which challenge the common belief that Latter-day Saints are inherently more prone to toxic perfectionism than individuals from other religious backgrounds. He explains that while 12% of Latter-day Saint youth exhibit high levels of toxic perfectionism, this figure is lower than the 20% found among atheists and agnostics, suggesting that toxic perfectionism is a broader human tendency rather than a specific issue tied to religious beliefs. The conversation delves into the nuances of perfectionism, distinguishing between healthy striving for high standards and the detrimental effects of toxic perfectionism, which can lead to feelings of worthlessness and shame. Justin emphasizes the importance of fostering a secure attachment to God, which can mitigate feelings of toxic perfectionism. He highlights the role of parents and leaders in creating an environment of love and support, rather than shame, to help youth navigate their identities and self-worth. The episode also addresses the challenges faced by LGBTQ youth within religious contexts, advocating for a compassionate approach that maintains the value of religious teachings while providing necessary support. The conversation underscores the significance of identity and the need for leaders and parents to remind youth of their inherent worth as children of God, encouraging them to strive for high standards without the burden of toxic perfectionism. 01:41 - Introduction of Justin Dyer and Research Focus 02:56 - Exploring Toxic Perfectionism 03:41 - Research Intent and Methodology 05:12 - Understanding Toxic Perfectionism 06:48 - Healthy vs. Toxic Perfectionism 09:46 - Impact of Perfectionism on Identity 10:33 - Balancing Standards and Self-Worth 12:06 - The Role of Perfectionism in Religious Context 13:13 - Addressing Youth and Leadership Dynamics 14:03 - The Challenge of Leadership Messaging 16:44 - Data Insights on Toxic Perfectionism 20:06 - The Role of Religion in Mental Health 22:44 - Encouraging a Positive Gospel Experience 24:33 - Parenting and Toxic Perfectionism in Youth 27:01 - The Importance of Love in Parenting 28:51 - The Impact of Parental Relationships on Identity 30:41 - Navigating Adolescence and Identity 32:27 - The Dangers of Silent Suffering 34:13 - Encouraging Healthy Standards in Youth 36:36 - Addressing LGBTQ Dynamics in Religious Context

Transcribed - Published: 29 March 2025

Gary Miller is the host of the "Hope In Him Today" and "Outside The Lane" podcasts. Before joining The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, he served as an independent fundamental Baptist pastor. He spent 11 years in the United States Air Force, dividing his time between critical care medicine and professional development training as a master military training instructor. He holds a B.S. from Wayland Baptist University and studied theology at Liberty Theological Seminary. Currently, he works as a director of marketing for a Salt Lake City-based insurance firm and serves as a stake high councilor in the Katy Texas Stake. He and his wife, Crystal, live in Katy, Texas, with their four children. You’ll likely find him at a NASCAR race somewhere when he's not doing these things. Links From Baptist Preacher to Latter-day Saint | An Interview with Gary Miller Hope in Him Today podcast Outside the Lane podcast Share your thoughts in the Leading Saints community Read the transcript of this podcast Get 14-day access to the Core Leader Library Highlights This conversation delves into Gary's journey of faith, focusing on the challenges and triumphs he has experienced as he navigates the cultural differences between his previous faith and his new one. Gary shares insights into the complexities of conversion, emphasizing that it is not merely a one-time event but an ongoing process that requires time and reflection. Throughout the episode, Gary discusses the significance of the temple in his faith journey, highlighting how his understanding evolved from initial confusion to a deeper appreciation for its role in connecting him to Jesus Christ. He stresses the importance of personal connections and clear messaging when discussing the temple, advocating for a focus on the principles of Jesus rather than the mystique often surrounding the temple experience. Gary also addresses the challenges of being perceived as a newcomer in the faith, noting the need for patience and understanding as individuals navigate their spiritual journeys at their own pace. 02:08 - Gary's Journey from Baptist Minister to Latter-day Saint 03:01 - Conversation Dynamics Between Friends 04:11 - Life Updates from Gary Miller 05:44 - The Complexity of Conversion Stories 06:34 - Cultural vs. Theological Conversion 09:14 - The Ongoing Nature of Conversion 10:27 - The Binary Nature of Faith Commitment 12:14 - The Importance of Personal Reflection in Faith 13:18 - Navigating the Journey of Faith 15:23 - The Cage Stage of New Believers 18:12 - The Need for Quiet Reflection 19:08 - Balancing Old and New Faith Communities 21:00 - Building a Foundation in Faith 22:33 - The Role of the Temple in Conversion 25:49 - Personal Connections and Understanding the Temple 29:06 - The Temple as a Place of Worship 30:40 - Messaging the Importance of the Temple 32:07 - The Need for Authentic and Simple Messaging 34:01 - Engaging with Old Friends about the Temple 36:29 - The Gravity of Worship in the Temple 37:34 - Current Calling and Church Involvement 38:32 - Gary's Podcasting Journey 41:08 - Balancing Scripture The award-winning Leading Saints Podcast is one of the top independent Latter-d...

Transcribed - Published: 22 March 2025

Help Tanzanians get to the Kenya Temple Open House. DONATE HERE to support the Nairobi Temple Open House Trip. Brenda Angle has served as a Young Women president, Primary president, stake and ward Relief Society president, stake camp director, and as a service missionary teaching study skills at the Provo Missionary Training Center. She is an author and a certified faith-based life coach and speaker who has also trained and certified 200 other faith-based life coaches. Brenda has served as president of United Families for Arizona and as an NGO lobbyist at the United Nations. In her humanitarian work, she has served as vice president of Hearts and Hands for Humanity, vice president director of philanthropy for Legacy Giving Fund, and has traveled to Tanzania, Africa for eight years. She is the mother of nine children and grandmother of 40. Links Nairobi Temple Open House Trip Fundraiser Why Not Me? Breaking the Yokes that Bind Us Mully Hearts and Hands for Humanity Faith-Based Life Coaching Academy Share your thoughts in the Leading Saints community Read the transcript of this podcast Get 14-day access to the Core Leader Library Highlights Brenda shares her journey of navigating leadership within the Latter-day Saint community after experiencing divorce. She reflects on her personal struggles and the feelings of being sidelined in the church community post-divorce, emphasizing the importance of empathy and connection for those facing similar challenges. Brenda recounts her experiences of feeling isolated and the transformative power of service, which ultimately led her to take on leadership roles, including serving as a stake Relief Society president. Brenda also discusses her humanitarian work in Eastern Africa, where she has been involved in various projects, including drilling wells and empowering young women through education. She shares her excitement about the recent announcement of a temple in Nairobi, Kenya, and the unique challenges faced by members in Africa who may not fully understand the significance of the temple. Brenda is organizing a trip for Latter-day Saints from Tanzania to attend the temple's open house, aiming to deepen their understanding of its importance and encourage them to pursue their own temple ordinances. Throughout the episode, Brenda emphasizes the need for church leaders to reach out consistently to those who are struggling, fostering a sense of belonging and community. 05:02 - Brenda's Mission to Help Struggling Saints 06:22 - Common Struggles Among Latter-day Saints 07:24 - Navigating Life's Messiness 07:47 - Brenda's Books and Their Themes 08:44 - The Question of "Why Me?" 09:09 - Brenda's Journey Through Divorce 10:27 - The Challenge of Being a Divorced Leader

Transcribed - Published: 19 March 2025

Rabbi Chaim Zippel was born and raised in nearby Salt Lake City, and is the first-Utah born Chabad Rabbi. He attended Yeshivas in California and New York, and has extensive experience in outreach work and youth programming all over the country. Rabbi Chaim & Esty Zippel moved to Lehi, Utah in 2022 to launch Chabad of Utah County. Chabad of Utah County is dedicated to promoting and strengthening Jewish awareness, pride, and observance, by providing educational, cultural, and social services to all Jewish individuals regardless of background, philosophy or level of commitment. The fundamental principle of Chabad is unconditional love and acceptance of every Jew. Links JewishUtahCounty.com Instagram: @jewishutahcounty Facebook: @jewishutahcounty Share your thoughts in the Leading Saints community. Transcript coming soon Get 14-day access to the Core Leader Library Highlights Rabbi Chaim Zippel, co-director of the Chabad of Utah County, shares about the unique experience of being Jewish in a predominantly Latter-day Saint community. He shares insights into the mission of Chabad, which aims to create a welcoming environment for Jewish individuals moving to Utah County, providing them with a space to gather, learn, and grow in their faith. The conversation delves into the differences between Jewish and Latter-day Saint practices, particularly regarding community engagement and religious observance. Rabbi Chaim explains that while prayer services may not attract large crowds, community events and educational opportunities are highly valued. He recounts his family's journey to Utah, highlighting the challenges and rewards of establishing a Jewish presence in the area. The discussion also touches on the complexities of Jewish dietary laws and the importance of understanding the rationale behind religious practices, emphasizing that some commandments are followed simply because they are divinely ordained. Rabbi Chaim reflects on the supportive nature of the Latter-day Saint community, noting that Utah County is one of the least anti-Semitic places he has experienced. He shares anecdotes about community support during challenging times, illustrating the strong interfaith relationships that have developed. 03:35 - Rabbi Chaim's Background and Role 04:07 - Overview of Chabad in Utah County 05:03 - Community Focus vs. Traditional Services 06:23 - Jewish Community Dynamics in Utah 07:27 - Rabbi Chaim's Journey to Utah 09:03 - Family Background and Chabad Movement 10:40 - The Need for Jewish Presence in Utah County 12:02 - Rabbi's Outreach to Jewish Youth 12:35 - Community Support and Anti-Semitism in Utah 21:05 - The Role of a Rabbi and Path to Leadership 23:02 - Conversion and Personal Journeys in Faith 30:03 - Understanding Jewish Laws and Practices 32:31 - Experiences and Testimonies in Faith 36:25 - Conversion Perspectives in Judaism 40:06 - Conclusion and Final Thoughts on Faith The award-winning Leading Saints Podcast is one of the top independent Latter-day Saints podcasts as part of nonprofit Leading Saints' mission to help Latter-day Saints be better prepared to lead. Learn more and listen to any of the past episodes for free at LeadingSaints.org. Past guests include Emily Belle Freeman,

Transcribed - Published: 15 March 2025

Jon Holdaway was born and raised in Pleasant Grove, Utah. He served in the Korea Seoul Mission, where he met Sister Juliette Landsem. They have two children. Jon graduated from Brigham Young University and BYU Law, and served in the Utah Army National Guard. He later became an Army JAG officer with assignments including Charlottesville, Virginia, Fort Sill, Oklahoma, and Darmstadt, Germany, where he also served in church leadership roles including bishopric member, high council member, and stake mission president. After leaving the Army, Jon moved to Los Angeles and practiced law while serving as bishop in the Venice/Marina del Rey area. He later returned to government service, working in the national security field for 12 years and serving in various church leadership roles, including high priest group leader and stake young men president. Jon and his wife moved to Korea in 2020, where he works as a senior civilian attorney and legal advisor to the United Nations Command, Combined Forces Command, and U.S. Forces Command. He currently serves as president of the Seoul Korea Military District. Links Share your thoughts in the Leading Saints community Transcript coming soon Get 14-day access to the Core Leader Library Highlights Jon shares shares insights from his unique leadership role within a transient community of military personnel and their families, highlighting the challenges of leading in a district where members frequently move, often serving in leadership positions for only a short time. He discusses the importance of revelation in leadership, emphasizing that leaders must be proactive in seeking divine guidance and making timely decisions. Jon shares personal anecdotes about his journey to Korea, his military background, and the diverse community he serves, which includes members from various countries and backgrounds. Throughout the conversation, Jon stresses the significance of ministering to individual leaders and ensuring their well-being, particularly in high-pressure environments. He explains how he fosters a culture of quick adaptation and responsiveness, encouraging leaders to "do something" rather than wait for perfect conditions. The episode also touches on the importance of having a clear mission statement and aligning efforts with the priorities set by church leadership, such as focusing on the rising generation, missionary work, and temple service. Jon's experiences illustrate the necessity of building momentum in leadership roles, even amidst constant change, and the value of creating a supportive environment where leaders can thrive. 05:04 - Jon Holdaway's Journey to Korea 06:03 - Military Background and Current Role 07:10 - Personal Connection to Korea 08:02 - Career Path and Revelatory Process 10:12 - Unique Calling as District President 11:00 - Reporting Structure in the Military District 12:36 - Coverage and Responsibilities of the District 13:43 - Diversity in the Military District 17:52 - Interaction with Korean Stakes 19:09 - Managing Transient Leadership 20:05 - Importance of Revelatory Leadership 25:16 - Coaching New Leaders on Revelation 30:20 - The Need for Quick Decision-Making 32:31 - Building Momentum in Leadership 35:35 - Aligning with Prophetic Priorities 37:10 - Customizing Efforts for Branch Needs 39:18 - Feedback and Improvement in Meetings 44:05 - The Importance of Quality Meetings The award-winning Leading Saints Podcast is one of the top independent Latter...

Transcribed - Published: 12 March 2025

Frank Schwartz is a husband—for nearly 24 years—and a father of three girls. He was recently released from his elders quorum presidency and has served in several bishoprics, elders quorum presidencies, high councils, high priest group leaderships and Young Men presidencies (back when those were a thing), and a variety of other callings over the years. Frank did undergraduate and graduate work in Psychology and worked in television before starting a small, boutique, corporate communications firm. Most recently he has worked for a client in the healthcare payments space. Frank joined F3 in 2014 and has served in the national leadership in different capacities prior to taking over as Nant’an/CEO last year. Links F3 Nation Warrior Heart retreats Share your thoughts in the Leading Saints community Read the transcript of this podcast Get 14-day access to the Core Leader Library Highlights Frank shares his personal journey with F3, which began when he was encouraged by friends to join a workout group after facing health issues. He describes F3 as a community that not only promotes physical fitness but also fosters deep connections among men, encouraging them to support one another through challenges. The organization operates on five core principles: it is free, open to all men, conducted outdoors, peer-led, and concludes with a "circle of trust" where participants share personal struggles and support each other. Frank highlights the parallels between F3 and church leadership, particularly in how both rely on lay leadership and the importance of influence over authority. He discusses the decentralized nature of F3, where local groups operate independently while adhering to shared values, and emphasizes the transformative power of brotherhood and accountability in personal growth. Listen for insights on how church leaders, especially elders quorum presidents, can learn from and leverage F3 to enhance fellowship and support among men in their congregations, ultimately fostering a stronger sense of community and purpose. 04:03 - Frank Schwartz's Background 05:26 - What is F3? 07:33 - The Founding of F3 12:16 - Personal Journey to F3 16:35 - The Structure and Cadence of F3 Workouts 19:00 - Finding and Starting an F3 Group 21:30 - Leadership vs. Management in F3 25:07 - The Importance of Lay Leadership 30:14 - Starting Your Own F3 Group 36:23 - Inclusivity for All Fitness Levels 37:42 - Building Authentic Fellowship in F3 The award-winning Leading Saints Podcast is one of the top independent Latter-day Saints podcasts as part of nonprofit Leading Saints' mission to help Latter-day Saints be better prepared to lead. Learn more and listen to any of the past episodes for free at LeadingSaints.org. Past guests include Emily Belle Freeman, David Butler, Hank Smith, John Bytheway,

Transcribed - Published: 8 March 2025

Courtney Bush lives in the Utah Area, married her high school sweetheart, and together they have two kids. She graduated from Brigham Young University in Early Childhood Education and has a deep love for teaching and helping children. During her time teaching, some of her accomplishments included the Golden Apple Award and KSL Teacher Feature. Courtney currently serves as stake Young Women president. She has previously served as a Young Women president, second counselor, secretary, & advisor, as a Primary counselor, and a Relief Society teacher. Courtney recently started an Instagram and TikTok specifically for young women, parents, and leaders, where she simply shares the doctrine of Jesus Christ. She enjoys teaching, speaking, and testifying of the Savior, especially within her own home. It's never boring at Courtney's house, where they have a miniature pony and a school bus, and their home is always stocked with lots of treats for the youth. She loves serving with her whole heart. Links Instagram: @ywfollowjesus Share your thoughts in the Leading Saints community Transcript coming soon Get 14-day access to the Core Leader Library Highlights Courtney emphasizes the need for leaders to inspire youth to take initiative and connect with their faith, ultimately preparing them for future challenges. She delves into her approach to empowering class presidencies, emphasizing the importance of youth-led initiatives and personal revelation, and shares practical strategies for helping young women develop leadership skills, such as counseling together and encouraging them to seek guidance from Heavenly Father. The conversation also touches on the significance of lesson instruction, where Courtney advocates for teaching doctrine in a relatable way, ensuring that young women feel confident in discussing and testifying about their faith. Courtney talks about "Treat Friday," a casual gathering she hosts for young women to connect, build relationships, and foster a sense of community. This not only serves as a fun social event but also acts as a bridge for young women to approach their bishop for guidance and support. Courtney also shares her experiences with Girls Camp, emphasizing the importance of creating opportunities for personal revelation and connection with Jesus Christ. 03:15 - Courtney's Passion for Young Womens Leadership 04:06 - Transition from Ward to Stake Young Womens President 06:09 - Demographics and Challenges in Lehigh, Utah 09:00 - Empowering Class Presidencies 12:06 - Coaching Youth to Seek Revelation 14:39 - Training Adult Leaders in the Stake 16:37 - Workshops for Young Womens Advisors 19:22 - Collaborating with Stake Presidency 21:37 - Treat Friday: A Casual Gathering 24:08 - The Impact of Treat Friday 27:00 - Creating a Safe Space for Youth 29:10 - Principles of Effective Lesson Instruction 31:59 - Enhancing Doctrinal Understanding 34:53 - Best Practices for Girls Camp 36:55 - The Party Bus Experience 40:18 - The Importance of Community and Connection 41:39 - Creating Positive Online Content The award-winning Leading Saints Podcast is one of the top independent Latter-day Saints podcasts as part of nonprofit Leading Saints' mission to help Latter-day Saints be better prepared to lead. Learn more and listen to any of the past episodes for free at LeadingSaints.org.

Transcribed - Published: 5 March 2025

Mark Bell has over 20 years of experience as a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist (LMFT) and Certified Sex Addiction Therapist (CSAT), and has trained in Emotionally Focused Therapy (EFT) and Accelerated Resolution Therapy (ART). Mark specializes in helping couples navigate relational and emotional intimacy challenges and much of his work is with men struggling with sexually compulsive behaviors, along with their loved ones affected by those behaviors. He focuses on healthy connections with ourselves, our God, and others in healing. Mark holds a graduate degree in Marriage and Family Therapy from the University of Southern Mississippi and an undergraduate degree from Brigham Young University, and works at the Arizona Family Institute (AFI) where he is also the clinical director. In the Church he has served as a missionary in the Chile, Santiago North mission, a Young Men advisor, Sunday School youth teacher, high priest group leader, scoutmaster, ward clerk, elders quorum counselor, and three times as a bishopric counselor. Mark and his wife Dyan have been married 22 years and have five sons. Links Arizona Family Institute Share your thoughts in the Leading Saints community Transcript coming soon Get 14-day access to the Core Leader Library Highlights Mark Bell shares his insights on the current state of men's mental health, noting a concerning epidemic of undiagnosed depression among men, which often goes unrecognized due to societal expectations that discourage vulnerability. He explains how men frequently resort to unhealthy coping mechanisms, such as pornography, as a means of escaping deeper emotional struggles. The discussion touches on the stigma surrounding these behaviors and the need for men to connect with one another in meaningful ways. Bell advocates for the creation of supportive environments, such as small group settings within church activities, where men can openly share their experiences and challenges without fear of judgment. The episode also explores the significance of recreational activities in fostering connections among men, suggesting that engaging in shared experiences can lead to deeper bonds and healthier emotional outlets. Bell emphasizes the necessity of creating spaces where men can be both playful and serious, allowing them to express their true selves, and offers practical advice for church leaders—particularly elders quorum presidents—on how to facilitate genuine connections among members, encouraging vulnerability and open dialogue. The conversation is a call to action for men in elders quorum to seek connection and support, ultimately promoting better mental health and stronger relationships within their communities. 02:30 - Men's Mental Health Epidemic 04:00 - Undiagnosed Depression in Men 05:30 - The Link Between Depression and Suicide 07:00 - Challenges of Masculinity 09:00 - Compartmentalization of Men's Emotions 10:30 - Hidden Depression in Men 12:00 - Pornography as a Symptom 13:30 - The Need for Healthy Coping Mechanisms 15:00 - Stigma Around Men's Behaviors 16:30 - The Importance of Connection Among Men 18:00 - Creating Safe Spaces for Men 19:30 - The Fist of Five Concept 21:00 - The Role of Group Therapy 22:30 - Building Connection in Elders Quorum 24:00 - The Power of Vulnerability 25:30 - Check-Ins as a Tool for Connection 27:00 - The Importance of Confidentiality

Transcribed - Published: 1 March 2025

This podcast is a group discussion about the Heart of a Woman retreat, a 3-day intensive experience for women of faith. The retreat provides a space for women to connect with God, other women, and themselves. It includes presentations, time for reflection, and opportunities for prayer and worship. The guests discuss their own experiences with the retreat and how it has impacted their lives. They also share insights on the importance of women's leadership and the power of prayer. Melanie Meszaros is a wife, mother, grandmother, certified professional coach, business manager, and avid music lover. With a master’s in Education, Melanie has spent her adult life providing women and couples with opportunities to learn and develop skills to improve their lives, their relationships, and their families. As co-founder of Heart of a Woman, Melanie is passionate about helping women develop a profound connection with God, restore their feminine heart, and rediscover who God created them to be. In the Church she has enjoyed serving in music callings, as a teacher, as a counselor in each of the women's organizations, and as a ward and stake Relief Society president. Kristy Willhite was baptized as a child and chose the gospel of Jesus Christ as an adult. She served for 17 years in the Primary organization in every calling except chorister. Kristy has served in Relief Society presidencies, as a Young Women president, and currently serves in her stake Young Women presidency. She loves reading, knitting, and holds a bachelor’s degree from Brigham Young University-Idaho in Advanced Family History Professional Studies. Kristy and her husband James have been married 26 years and have four great kids. Jolene Duckworth attended the October 2024 Heart of a Woman retreat and found herself forever changed by the experience. She is the mother of six and serves as the chair of the hospitality committee for BYU's Women's Conference, and in the Church as a Relief Society service coordinator and a temple worker. Jolene has a bachelor's degree in Visual Arts from BYU and is the experience design director for Idylli, a leadership development company she runs with her husband, Dan Duckworth. Links TheHeartofaWoman.net (Use the code LEADMAY25 for a Leading Saints discount) 5 Easy Questions to Invite Anyone to Learn About the Gospel | An Interview with Murray Meszaros The Subtle Attack of Shame on Spirituality | An Interview with James Willhite Creating a Transformational Sunday School | An Interview with Dan Duckworth Warrior Heart Boot Camp Share your thoughts in the Leading Saints community Transcript coming soon Get 14-day access to the Core Leader Library Highlights Melanie, Christy, and Jolene, delve into the Heart of a Woman retreat, an interdenominational experience designed to foster deeper connections with God among women of faith. Melanie explains that the retreat offers a three-day immersive experience where women can unplug from the world, engage with the Word of God, and pray together in a supportive environment.

Transcribed - Published: 22 February 2025

Matt Bardsley grew up in Montana, and after a mission to New Jersey moved to Utah to go to school and has been there ever since. He has a bachelor’s degree from Brigham Young University in Sociology and a master’s degree from Utah State University in Education. He has been a seminary teacher for 19 years, 12 of those serving as a local faculty principal where he gets to train teachers. He is a former Young Men president, elders quorum president, ward mission leader, bishopric member, high councilor, and stake Young Men president, and currently serves as first counselor in his stake Young Men presidency. Kim Perkins is a coach with Accepted, passionate about guiding individuals on their journey to healing and fostering deep connections, and empowering them to unlock their true potential and lead fulfilling lives. Kim enjoys the great outdoors, hiking, volleyball, and embarking on exciting travel adventures with her husband and four children. She currently serves in her stake Young Women presidency. Links Accepted Share your thoughts in the Leading Saints community Transcript coming soon Get 14-day access to the Core Leader Library Training Materials 3 Targets - Activity Planning PDF 3-Month Planning Meetings PDF Connect it to Christ PDF Counseling Together PDF Delegation PDF Making Announcements - Hype Squad PDF Pair and Share PDF Presidency Meetings - Teeter Totter PDF Sandbox PDF Highlights This dynamic discussion with Kim and Matt centers around the importance of mentorship and effective training for youth leaders. They share their experiences and insights on how to transform traditional youth leadership approaches into more impactful mentorship roles, and emphasize the significance of understanding one's purpose, identifying youth life goals, and fostering transformational relationships rather than merely filling time during weekly activities. Kim and Matt explain their approach to training, which includes quarterly sessions for all youth leaders and more targeted workshops for specific wards. They focus on practical skills such as effective communication, delegation, and connecting youth activities to the teachings of Jesus Christ. By observing and providing feedback in real time, they help leaders recognize their strengths and areas for improvement. 05:31 - Kim's Experience in Youth Leadership 06:26 - Matt's Background in Teaching Youth

Transcribed - Published: 19 February 2025

Parker Walbeck shares his journey as a millennial content creator who aims to engage both younger and older audiences with gospel messages through short, impactful videos. He emphasizes the significance of sharing simple, foundational doctrines and the power of personal testimony, noting that even small acts of sharing can have a profound impact on friends and family. Parker is a filmmaker, social media expert, and creator of the "True Millennial" YouTube channel, where he shares his insights on using social media to share the gospel. He has worked with the Church to help improve their online presence, and speaks frequently at local church events, where he teaches others how to use these tools effectively. Links YouTube: @TrueMillennial Instagram: @true.millennials Share your thoughts in the Leading Saints community Transcript coming soon Get 14-day access to the Core Leader Library Highlights Parker recounts his experience working with Elder Neil L. Andersen of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles during a trip to the Philippines, where he documented the apostle's ministry and interactions with local members. He describes Elder Anderson's genuine care for individuals, his commitment to knowing names, and his reliance on the teachings of the living prophet. The episode also touches on the importance of humility and the simplicity of the gospel, as Parker reflects on how the apostles focus on basic doctrines rather than complex theological concepts. Additionally, Kurt and Parker discuss the potential for local church members to create content that shares their faith stories, suggesting that even small-scale initiatives, like ward podcasts, can foster community and strengthen testimonies. The episode concludes with a call to action for listeners to utilize their unique talents in service of the church, reinforcing the idea that everyone has a role to play in sharing the gospel. 04:07 - Overview of True Millennial Podcast 06:01 - Parker's Journey into Content Creation 10:02 - The Concept of True Millennials 11:41 - Sharing the Gospel on Social Media 17:10 - The Importance of Influence in Small Audiences 19:02 - Parker's Experience with Elder Anderson 25:26 - Insights from Traveling with an Apostle 29:18 - The Simplicity of Gospel Teachings 36:00 - Interviewing Elder Bednar 38:11 - Local Church Content Creation Ideas 41:00 - Engaging Stake Communication Strategies The award-winning Leading Saints Podcast is one of the top independent Latter-day Saints podcasts as part of nonprofit Leading Saints' mission to help Latter-day Saints be better prepared to lead. Learn more and listen to any of the past episodes for free at LeadingSaints.org. Past guests include Emily Belle Freeman, David Butler, Hank Smith, John Bytheway, Reyna and Elena Aburto, Liz Wiseman,

Transcribed - Published: 15 February 2025

Tanner Pursley was born and raised in Thatcher, Arizona. He served his mission in Recife, Brasil, and graduated from BYU-Idaho where he married his sweetheart Nicole. He got his Masters Degree in School Counseling from Northern Arizona University. Tanner has over six years of EFY experience and another five working as a wrangler for troubled teenagers at Arivaca Boys Ranch. He currently is serving as the bishop in his ward in Morenci, Arizona, where he developed a youth program called "I Can Do Hard Things" to help drive kids off the couch and into living life and preparing for the temple/mission. Tanner's passions include rock climbing, scuba diving, playing Jenga with kids, losing to his bros in fantasy football, and cuddling his little daughter Cedar. Links I Can Do Hard Things Challenge (Packet) I Can Do Hard Things Challenge (Printable Booklet) Contact: Facebook, Instagram: @tanmanpursley73, or contact us and we'll forward your message Share your thoughts in the Leading Saints community Transcript coming soon Get 14-day access to the Core Leader Library Highlights Tanner shares insights from his recent initiative called the "I Can Do Hard Things Challenge." This program, developed while he served as a counselor in the bishopric, aims to provide youth with structured goals across the four quadrants in the Children and Youth program: spiritual, social, intellectual, and physical. Tanner explains how he drew inspiration from scouting and other youth programs to create a comprehensive list of activities that encourage youth to step outside their comfort zones and engage in meaningful experiences. Throughout the conversation, Tanner discusses the importance of parental buy-in and how the challenge has positively impacted the culture of his small ward, which previously struggled with youth engagement and missionary work. He highlights the success of the program, noting that it has led to increased participation among the youth and has even inspired similar initiatives in other organizations within the ward. The episode emphasizes the significance of celebrating achievements, as Tanner describes the award ceremony where participants receive recognition for their hard work, fostering a sense of community and accomplishment. Leadership is about empowering others to reach their potential, and Tanner's approach serves as a practical example for other leaders looking to inspire and uplift the youth in their wards. 05:48 - Tanner's Background and New Calling 06:59 - The "I Can Do Hard Things" Challenge 09:47 - Overview of the Youth Program and Goals 10:44 - Changing the Culture in the Ward 12:01 - Structure of the Challenge 20:49 - Breakdown of the Challenge Areas 25:07 - Physical Challenge Activities 27:51 - Social Challenge Activities 29:38 - Spiritual Challenge Activities 30:49 - Intellectual Challenge Activities 32:04 - Importance of Accountability 33:01 - Reward Ceremony and Recognition 34:27 - Encouraging Participation and Buy-In

Transcribed - Published: 13 February 2025

Danny and Emily Deaton are the founders of Living Proof Recovery Services, a company dedicated to supporting individuals and families who are navigating addiction with a loved one. They carry degrees from rival schools, the University of Utah and Brigham Young University but found common ground in their love for Jesus and the Utah Jazz. They have built a life they love together in Alpine, Utah. They love being parents to three awesome children and have served as Stake Young Single Adult leaders and Emily as a Relief Society president. Danny and Emily host the “Your Living Proof Podcast” and love speaking and sharing their message of faith in action, hope, and their love for Jesus Christ. Links YourLivingProof.com Your Living Proof Podcast and YouTube Free masterclass Share your thoughts in the Leading Saints community Transcript coming soon Get 14-day access to the Core Leader Library Highlights Emily and Danny talk about the growing issues of addiction, highlighting the importance of being prepared to address these challenges and the need for resources and education. Danny recounts his experience with opioid addiction, detailing how it progressed from a seemingly manageable issue to a life-altering crisis that culminated in a near-fatal incident. He reflects on the pivotal moment when his father intervened, demonstrating the power of love and family support in the recovery process. Emily adds her perspective, emphasizing the time required for true healing and the transformative power of the Atonement in their lives. The couple discusses the importance of understanding addiction as a family disease, where the entire family unit must engage in the recovery process. They stress that addiction often manifests as a secretive struggle, and families typically wait too long—averaging seven years—before seeking professional help. The Deatons advocate for the role of interventionists and the necessity of establishing boundaries to support loved ones in their recovery journey. They also highlight the importance of church leaders in recognizing the signs of addiction and guiding families toward appropriate resources, such as support groups and professional help. Danny and Emily challenge the misconception that individuals must want to recover on their own before intervention can occur, arguing instead that families must take proactive steps to facilitate recovery. They discuss the need for families to learn about addiction, set boundaries, and seek help themselves, creating a supportive environment for their loved ones. Church leaders and families can utilize available resources and to understand that addiction is a complex issue that requires a collective effort for healing and recovery. 02:00 - Danny and Emily Deaton's Background 03:00 - Danny's Journey Through Addiction 06:00 - The Low Point of Addiction 08:00 - The Role of Family in Recovery 09:00 - The Power of the Atonement 10:00 - Transitioning to Recovery Services 12:00 - Understanding the Role of an Interventionist 13:00 - The Impact of COVID on Recovery Services 14:00 - Developing a Comprehensive Recovery Program 16:00 - The Importance of Family Support 18:00 - Recognizing the Signs of Addiction

Transcribed - Published: 8 February 2025

Jodi Atkinson was born and raised in Utah, and has lived all over the state. She went to college at Utah Tech University in St. George, Utah, and graduated with an Associates Degree in Science. That was where she met and married her husband, Brian. She then took on her next greatest educational experience as the mother of five children. The family left Utah in 2011 and has since lived in Texas, Illinois, and in the Kansas City, Missouri area for the past seven years. Another adventure awaits, and they will be moving back to St. George this summer. Jodi is excited to go back to college and pursue a degree in Art. She has had many service opportunities within the Church that have enriched her life: Young Women president and advisor, youth Sunday School teacher, Young Women camp director, Primary counselor, Seminary teacher, and stake Young Women president. Jodi currently serves as an enthusiastic Primary teacher. Links Share your thoughts in the Leading Saints community Transcript coming soon Get 14-day access to the Core Leader Library Highlights Jodi emphasizes that youth should not be viewed as problems to be solved but as solutions, advocating for a collaborative approach where youth are actively involved in decision-making through councils. She reflects on her experience, highlighting the need for innovative thinking and adaptability in youth programs and stressing that relationships matter significantly in fostering a supportive environment. Jodi shares specific examples of how she engaged with youth, such as incorporating their ideas into activities like Young Womens camp and a trek, ensuring they felt heard and valued. Jodi also discusses the importance of ministering and being present in the lives of youth and leaders, which helped build trust and community within the stake, and shares the powerful principle that the Lord does not ask us to serve to deplete us or prove ourselves but to grow and strengthen our connections with Him and others. 05:04 - Jodi's Experience as Stake Young Womens President 05:45 - Unique Demographics of the Shawnee Stake 06:51 - Starting the Calling During COVID 10:40 - Embracing a Clean Slate Mentality 12:27 - The Importance of Youth Councils 16:16 - Letting Youth Lead in Activities 19:43 - Specific Examples of Youth Engagement 22:10 - Trek Experience and Youth Involvement 26:06 - Building Relationships with Youth Leaders 30:01 - Habits for Fostering Relationships 34:52 - The Lord's Purpose in Service 35:10 - Object Lesson on Leadership and Service The award-winning Leading Saints Podcast is one of the top independent Latter-day Saints podcasts as part of nonprofit Leading Saints' mission to help Latter-day Saints be better prepared to lead. Learn more and listen to any of the past episodes for free at LeadingSaints.org. Past guests include Emily Belle Freeman, David Butler, Hank Smith, John Bytheway, Reyna and Elena Aburto,

Transcribed - Published: 6 February 2025