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Leading Saints Podcast

Part 1: The Data Behind Church Culture | An Interview with Jeff Strong

Leading Saints Podcast

Leading Saints

Religion & Spirituality, Christianity

4.91.2K Ratings

🗓️ 21 June 2025

⏱️ 65 minutes

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Summary

Jeff Strong worked nearly 30 years in the consumer products industry as a senior executive at Procter & Gamble and global president and chief customer officer at Johnson & Johnson. He then taught in the Marriott School of Business at Brigham Young University and worked as an advisor to the Church before serving as a mission leader in the Arkansas Bentonville Mission. Jeff has since spent several years doing research on why people are leaving the Church. While not a professional researcher, his career involved a large amount of research and the research he shares in this podcast was done with the help of some of the top Latter-day Saint researchers in the world. Today, Jeff lives in Midway, Utah, and stays busy with a little lavender farm, some business consulting, and enjoying family.


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Highlights
In this conversation, Jeff dives deep into the tension between church culture and personal beliefs, and how embracing it can lead to growth and understanding within our church community. He discusses the findings from a comprehensive survey that aimed to understand disaffiliation and the tensions members experience in their church lives.

A key takeaway is the importance of understanding what members love about the Church, revealing the core values that bind members together, despite the tensions they may feel. Jeff talks about the tensions present in church culture, emphasizing the dual facets of this conflict: the tension between tradition and change, and the tension arising from our differences. He explores how members often feel a significant conflict in their church experience, with many expressing discomfort with the culture. Jeff presents data indicating that nearly half of the respondents felt a significant conflict, and more than half did not feel a strong sense of belonging in their congregations. Throughout the conversation, he emphasizes the importance of recognizing and embracing this tension rather than attempting to eliminate it.

00:02:40 - Purpose of the Survey on Disaffiliation
00:05:12 - Survey Response Insights
00:07:38 - What People Love About the Church
00:10:30 - Core Values of Church Members
00:12:33 - Strengths of the Church
00:13:10 - Tension Between Tradition and Change
00:16:00 - Navigating Cultural Differences
00:19:15 - Understanding Tension in Church Experience
00:22:10 - Data on Comfort and Belonging
00:23:38 - Recognizing Conflict in the Congregation
00:30:02 - Tension Between Personal and Cultural Values
00:35:44 - Embracing Tension in Leadership
00:40:08 - Creating a Safe Space for Tension



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I would be rude if I didn't take the time to explain to the newer listeners what Leading Saints is.

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Here goes.

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Leading Saints is an organization that started as a hobby blog in 2010 and then really caught some traction in 2014 when the podcast started.

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We talk about all things leadership in the context of the Church of Jesus Christ

0:21.3

of Latter-day Saints.

0:22.7

We aren't owned by the church, but we have a great relationship with them and always

0:26.1

aim to be faith promoting, even though we talk about the tough topics.

0:30.4

My name is Kurt Frankum.

0:31.5

I'm generally the voice you hear as the host of the podcast.

0:34.9

I've tried to get other hosts, but people demand my smooth tone.

0:38.4

And I really enjoy it. Check out LeadingSaints.org to really get into the weeds of what

0:43.2

leading saints is and learn all about our mission to help Latter-day Saints be better prepared to lead.

0:53.2

Anthony Sweat has easily become one of my favorite BYU professors to interview.

0:57.8

He's been on the podcast several times, and he also has a remarkable presentation about ambiguity

1:02.7

of doctrine in our questioning saints virtual library.

1:06.3

He discusses healthy and unhealthy ways we approach doctrine, how to help others reconcile doctrine

1:11.3

they find difficult to believe, especially when we don't know much about it. You can watch Professor

1:16.4

Sweat's entire interview in the Questioning Saints library by going to leadingsaints.org

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slash 14. This will give you access for 14 days at no cost to watch this presentation. You'll be better prepared

1:28.3

as a leader when you do.

1:33.6

Hey everyone, in this episode, we talk with Jeff Strong. Now, you may remember Jeff Strong from

1:39.1

a survey that we sent out that Jeff is organized to better understand church culture and the tension that we

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