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Leading Saints Podcast

Part 2: The Unwritten Order of Things—A Reading

Leading Saints Podcast

Leading Saints

Religion & Spirituality, Christianity

4.91.2K Ratings

🗓️ 28 June 2025

⏱️ 24 minutes

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Summary

Kurt Francom reads this Brigham Young University devotional given by Elder Boyd K. Packer in 1996.

Listen to the podcast episode about this devotional and its influence on leadership culture in the Church.


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Highlights
00:02:00 - The Importance of Teaching Basics
00:03:30 - The Foundation of Knowledge and Testimony
00:05:00 - Understanding the Unwritten Order of Things
00:06:30 - The Role of the Presiding Officer in Meetings
00:08:00 - Accepting Calls and Releases in the Church
00:09:30 - Learning from Experienced Leaders
00:11:00 - Seeking Counsel and Blessings
00:12:30 - The Vertical Nature of Revelation
00:14:00 - The Importance of Being a Good Follower
00:15:30 - Proper Order in Callings and Assignments
00:17:00 - Maintaining Dignity in Meetings
00:18:30 - The Role of the Bishop in Meetings
00:20:00 - Learning Through Observation and Experience
00:21:30 - The Power of the Ordinary Saints

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0:00.0

Welcome to part two of this week's podcast.

0:14.5

The Unwritten Order of Things, a devotional by Elder Boyd K. Packer given in October of 1996.

0:21.7

I speak to you today as a teacher.

0:23.8

I reflect the influence of a teacher that I knew more than 50 years ago.

0:28.2

As is often the case, the influence of that teacher did not center on the subject he taught.

0:33.2

Dr. Scheverf was a professor of mathematics at Washington State University at Pullman, Washington.

0:39.3

He was quite unimpressive in appearance. I don't remember his first name, but I shall never forget the first thing he said, the first day we met.

0:47.9

It was during World War II. We were in pilot training and had been sent to the university for what we were told would be a crash course

0:55.4

in meteorology, weather, navigation, physics, aerodynamics, and other technical subjects.

1:01.5

We thought the title crash course was not very encouraging to student pilots. The word intense

1:06.1

would have been better. The pressure was enormous because those who failed the course would

1:10.6

be washed out of the pilot program.

1:12.6

I was in competition with cadets, many of whom had been in college, some of them who had

1:17.6

some advanced training while I had barely escaped from high school.

1:20.6

Dr. Schiver was to take us from basic mathematics through calculus in just a matter of weeks.

1:26.6

I thought it was hopeless until the first few minutes in the class in the first class.

1:31.7

He began the class with this announcement.

1:33.9

While many of you have had some college, even advanced courses in what we are to study,

1:39.3

it would be my purpose to teach the beginners.

1:41.9

I'm asking those of you who know the subject to be patient,

1:45.4

while I teach the basics to those who do not. Encouraged by what he said and more by how he

1:51.3

taught, I was able to pass the course with reasonable ease, but it might otherwise have been

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