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How I Lead as a Coach and a Catholic | An Interview with Frank Layden

Leading Saints Podcast

Leading Saints

Religion & Spirituality, Christianity

4.91.2K Ratings

🗓️ 17 July 2025

⏱️ 64 minutes

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Summary

This is a rebroadcast. The episode originally ran in September 2019.

Frank Layden was a beloved basketball coach and executive best known for his time with the Utah Jazz. While he achieved tremendous professional success—earning NBA Coach of the Year, Executive of the Year, and the J. Walter Kennedy Citizenship Award all in 1984—it was his warmth, humor, and larger-than-life personality that truly defined him. Known for his self-deprecating wit and quick one-liners, Layden brought levity to the game and was deeply respected by players, colleagues, and fans alike.

Beyond basketball, Layden was cherished for his kindness, community involvement, and ability to connect with people on a personal level. He had a gift for making others feel valued, often using laughter to lift those around him. Even in retirement, he remained a vibrant part of the Salt Lake City community. Frank Layden passed away on July 9, 2025, at the age of 93, leaving behind a legacy of leadership and compassion.
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Highlights
Early Experiences & Utah Transition
03:15 Involvement with the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints; reflections on what President Thomas S. Monson said about him
05:15 How he ended up in Utah with the Jazz
07:50 First knowledge of and interactions with members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints
10:00 Approach to sports and Utah’s culture: “What can we do to help here?” Focused on building relationships over highlighting differences.

Personal and Professional Philosophy
13:15 How he became a coach
14:25 Belief that his family was meant to be in Utah
14:50 Building the Jazz from a losing team into a contender
16:20 Perspective on success: You won’t always succeed, and shouldn’t measure success by money. Prioritize doing what you love and service.
17:30 The Jazz’s efforts to help players and their families grow off the court:
- Wives club activities: fashion shows, making Christmas trees, supporting education
- Interfaith chapel service with Rev. France Davis and Pastor Jerry Lewis
- Bonuses for players who finished college degrees

Leadership & Team Management
20:00 When players feel coaches support them, they give their all.
21:15 Emphasis on making each player feel loved; daily question: “What can I do for you today?”
22:25 The importance of small things: punctuality, readiness, balancing authority and discipline
25:20 Players must believe in you, and you must believe in yourself.
- Understanding who needs motivation vs. encouragement
- Establishing leadership: the team must know who leads
- “Winning is not a sometimes thing; it starts the first day of practice.”

Relationship-Building & Daily Culture
33:15 Building one-on-one connections with players
- Creating comfort for players to approach leadership
- Listening to them (examples include book club and shared reading)
- Encouraging professional appearance
- Mutual respect and adult treatment fosters loyalty
- Players can sense if you enjoy your job.
- End interactions on a positive, humorous note.

Reflection on Faith & Community
49:00 How being part of Utah’s religious community enhanced his experience as a Catholic

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We have a library full of resources focused on this topic.

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The presentation I would recommend you start with is Joseph Grenny's presentation about what

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we can learn from Captain Moroni to help our loved ones overcome struggles with drugs

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and alcohol.

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His story of how he loved his son through his addiction is powerful and redemptive.

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LeadingSaints.org slash 1-4. The following episode is a throwback episode, one that was published

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previously and was extremely popular. To see the details of when this was originally published,

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see the show notes. Enjoy this throwback episode.

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Thank you. published, see the show notes. Enjoy this throwback episode. Welcome back to the Leading Saints podcast. My name is Kurt Frankum and I'll be your host.

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Now, if you're new to the Leading Saints podcast, this is an organization where we produce a podcast.

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And that podcast is always about leadership in the context of being a better Latter-day Saint leader.

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So if you're new, we welcome you.

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And we hope that you'll share with friends and keep listening and listen to many other episodes that you can jump into plenty of content

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to Peruse. Now, in this episode, it is a unique episode because I interview Frank Layden.

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Now, Frank Layden was the coach of the Utah Jazz from 1981 to 1989. He was instrumental

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in drafting and signing franchise mainstays like John Stockton

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and Carl Malone to the club. In 1984, Layden was awarded the NBA's Coach of the Year. The same

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