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Leading Saints Podcast

Literally Becoming a Better Leader | An Interview with Ryan Gottfredson

Leading Saints Podcast

Leading Saints

Religion & Spirituality, Christianity

4.81.2K Ratings

🗓️ 31 May 2025

⏱️ 66 minutes

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Summary

Ryan Gottfredson, Ph.D. is a cutting-edge leadership development author, researcher, and consultant. He helps organizations vertically develop their leaders primarily through a focus on mindsets. Ryan is the Wall Street Journal and USA Today best-selling author of Success Mindsets, The Elevated Leader, and Becoming Better. He is also a leadership professor at the College of Business and Economics at California State University-Fullerton.

Ryan Gottfredson

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RyanGottfredson.com
Personal mindset assessment
Vertical development assessment
Ryan’s books:
Becoming Better: The Groundbreaking Science of Personal Transformation
Success Mindsets: The Key to Unlocking Greater Success in Your Life, Work, & Leadership
The Elevated Leader: Leveling Up Your Leadership Through Vertical Development
Previous podcasts with Ryan:
What About Our Culture is Holding Us Back?
Is There a Correlation Between Losing Faith and Moving?
The Research Behind Becoming Christlike
Is Your Mindset Limiting Your Leadership?
What Every Leader Should Consider About Community in Their Ward
Articles by Ryan at LeadingSaints.org
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Highlights

Ryan talks about personal development and becoming better leaders through understanding our own complexities and healing. He explores the science of sanctification and the difference between merely doing better and truly becoming better, focusing on our “being side”—the quality of our internal operating system—rather than just our “doing side,” which encompasses our skills and knowledge. Learning this distinction can help leaders as they support others who are struggling in their lives.

Ryan explains how our relationships with risk, failure, conflict, and even ourselves can reveal the quality of our being. Many leaders operate from a place of fear or insecurity, which can limit their effectiveness and impact. Ryan explores the concept of the “window of tolerance,” which refers to our ability to manage stress and emotional responses. He explains how a narrow window can lead to reactivity, while a wider window allows for greater emotional regulation and resilience. Understanding this can help leaders create a supportive environment for their congregations. Ryan also encourages leaders to consider their own journeys and the areas where they may need healing.

00:02:00 – The evolution of Ryan’s books and the deepening of his leadership concepts

00:05:00 – Mindsets and the difference between vertical and horizontal development in leadership

00:07:00 – The Being Side vs. Doing Side: The importance of focusing on the “being” side of leadership for transformational growth

00:09:00 – Connection between leadership principles and gospel teachings, emphasizing the importance of becoming

00:10:30 – The role of personal healing in effective leadership and the importance of self-awareness

00:12:00 – The window of tolerance and its relevance to emotional regulation

00:15:00 – Personal complexity and its impact on leadership effectiveness

00:20:00 – Exploration of emotional complexity and self-complexity in leaders

00:25:00 – Examining leaders’ relationships with risk, failure, and conflict as indicators of their health

00:30:00 – Contrast between survival-focused leadership and purpose-driven leadership

00:35:00 – Investigating the quality of relationships with self, others, and various challenges

00:40:00 – The challenges of people-pleasing and its impact on leadership effectiveness


The award-winning Leading Saints Podcast is one of the top independent Latter-day Saints podcasts as part of nonprofit Leading Saints’ mission to help Latter-day Saints be better prepared to lead. Learn more and listen to any of the past episodes for free at LeadingSaints.org.

Past guests include Emily Belle Freeman, David Butler, Hank Smith, John Bytheway, Reyna and Elena Aburto, Liz Wiseman, Stephen M. R. Covey, Elder Alvin F. Meredith III, Julie Beck, Brad Wilcox, Jody Moore, Tony Overbay, John H. Groberg, Elaine Dalton, Tad R. Callister, Lynn G. Robbins, J. Devn Cornish, Bonnie Oscarson, Dennis B. Neuenschwander, Kirby Heyborne, Taysom Hill, Coaches Jennifer Rockwood and Brandon Doman, Anthony Sweat, John Hilton III, Barbara Morgan Gardner, Blair Hodges, Whitney Johnson, Ryan Gottfredson, Greg McKeown, Ganel-Lyn Condie, Michael Goodman, Wendy Ulrich, Richard Ostler, and many more in over 800 episodes.

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Transcript

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0:00.0

Have you ever heard of scrupulosity? This is a mental health concern that is impacting more

0:07.1

Latter-day Saints than you think. Scrupulosity is religious, obsessive, compulsive disorder,

0:12.8

where individuals are hyper-obsessed about their worthiness and repentance. Sam Baxter, a former bishop,

0:18.7

sat down with me to talk about his lifelong struggle with scrupulosity and how he got treatment.

0:24.4

You can watch this interview for free in the Mentally Healthy Saints Library by going to leadingsaints.org slash 14.

0:31.5

This gets you 14 days, free access to Sam Baxter's interview about scrupulosity and 25 plus other interviews about

0:38.8

ministering to those who struggle with mental health. The content is priceless for leaders.

0:43.6

So visit leadingsaints.org slash 14 for free access.

0:52.4

If you wanted further insight into a come follow me lesson, you'd probably search in YouTube or get the We Believe app.

0:59.1

Tough Church history questions? You'd reach out to the B.H. Roberts Foundation.

1:03.0

But what if you wanted to learn to be a better leader? Well, I'm glad you asked. You'd come to leading saints.

1:09.0

That's why we exist to help Latter-day Saints be better prepared to lead

1:12.6

by being familiar with others' leadership experiences,

1:16.0

understand the latest leadership research,

1:18.3

and finding a community to share ideas.

1:20.9

That's why I'm glad you found the Leading Saints podcast.

1:24.1

We hope you will dive into the archives and visit LeadingSaints.org to find out what are the top, most listened to episodes on the podcast. We hope you will dive into the archives and visit leadingsaints.org to find out what are the

1:28.6

top most listened to episodes on the podcast. Welcome. You're going to love it.

1:37.2

We're back for another leading saints episode and I'm excited. Welcome back. A recurring guest that is

1:42.4

Ryan Gottfretzen, an author, a professor

1:45.2

of leadership, and every time I connect with Ryan, it's just such good conversations.

1:50.5

I hope you enjoy this as much as I do, and maybe I talk too much in these, I don't know,

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