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Glenn Loury

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Glenn Loury invites guests from the worlds of academia, journalism and public affairs to share insights on economic, political and social issues.

265 Episodes

John McWhorter – Campus Protests at Semester's End

ORDER Glenn's memoir, LATE ADMISSIONS: CONFESSIONS OF A BLACK CONSERVATIVE. Available here or wherever you get your books: https://wwnorton.com/books/97803938813490:00 The end of a tumultuous semester 4:39 The willful misreadings of John’s criticisms of the student protests 9:26 There are wars all over the world. Why so much fervor around Israel-Palestine? 16:40 Ground News ad 18:41 Has Israel gone too far in Gaza?22:32 Should students be forced to listen to protests that might offend them? 35:11 Glenn’s book is out this week! 41:11 An update on Glenn’s recovery and hospital cuisineRecorded May 11, 2024Links and ReadingsJohn’s NYT piece, “I’m a Columbia Professor. The Protests on My Campus Are Not Justice”John’s NYT piece, “The Columbia Protests Made the Same Mistake the Civil Rights Movement Did”John’s NYT piece, “Why Was This Treasure of Musical Theater All but Lost to the Ages?”Coleman Hughes and Robert Wright debate Israel-PalestinePamela Paul’s NYT piece on Glenn, “He Knows It’s Important to Admit Mistakes. He’s Made Many.”WSJ’s review of Late AdmissionsTunku Varadarajan’s 2020 WSJ profile of GlennWaPo’s review of Late Admissions This is a public episode. If you’d like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit glennloury.substack.com/subscribe

Transcribed - Published: 17 May 2024

John McWhorter – Four Years of George Floyd

Click the timestamp to go to the indicated clip in this YouTube video, click the title to go to the video from which the clip was pulled0:00: Intro from Glenn2:15: Cops and Race - May 29, 202010:09: The Viruses - June 9, 202016:39: A Uniquely Potentially Calamitous Situation - June 3, 202021:14: The Slippery Slope to Hell - April 23, 202127:10: What Made George Floyd? - June 23, 202234:21: The Uncomfortable Truth Behind Economic Inequality - April 18, 202241:38: The Truth about George Floyd's Death - December 4, 202355:51: Filmmakers Reveal the Truth about George Floyd - December 18, 20231:10:29: What the Controversial George Floyd Doc Didn't Show Us - February 16, 20241:24:13: Minneapolis after George Floyd - March 1, 20241:27:34: Prosecuting Derek Chauvin - April 5, 2024 This is a public episode. If you’d like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit glennloury.substack.com/subscribe

Transcribed - Published: 10 May 2024

John McWhorter & Tyler Austin Harper – Compulsory Racial Performance

PREORDER Glenn's memoir, LATE ADMISSIONS: CONFESSIONS OF A BLACK CONSERVATIVE. Available here or wherever you get your books: https://wwnorton.com/books/97803938813490:00 A message from Glenn3:56 Tyler’s research on human extinction and the end of the world12:11 Tyler’s two forthcoming books13:38 How elite schools incentivize “compulsory racial performance”18:40 The “mission creep” of identity politics24:23 Tyler Austin Harper University’s admissions policy28:44 Does diversity contribute to quality of education?35:18 The trouble with being “the black person” in class37:38 Diversity at Bates College, where Tyler teaches41:38 Night fishing with Tyler, insect collecting with John45:46 Tyler’s prolific social media presence48:38 Tyler’s five-year plan52:51 The turn away from obscurantism in the humanitiesRecorded April 28, 2024Links and ReadingsGlenn and John’s first conversation with TylerGlenn and John talk with Tyler and Daniel BessnerMary Shelley’s novel, The Last ManTyler’s NYT piece, “I Teach at an Elite College. Here’s a Look Inside the Racial Gaming of Admissions”Christopher Lasch’s book, The Culture of Narcissism: American Life in an Age of Diminishing ExpectationsRichard Hanania’s book, The Origins of Woke: Civil Rights Law, Corporate America, and the Triumph of Identity PoliticsGlenn’s conversation with Peter ArcidiaconoTyler’s X (formerly Twitter) accountTyler’s Atlantic piece, “Polyamory, the Ruling Class’s Latest Fad”Jacques Derrida’s essay, “No Apocalypse, Not Now” This is a public episode. If you’d like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit glennloury.substack.com/subscribe

Transcribed - Published: 3 May 2024

Charles Fain Lehman – Urban Crime, Police Misconduct and the Drug Crisis

PREORDER Glenn's memoir, LATE ADMISSIONS: CONFESSIONS OF A BLACK CONSERVATIVE. Available here or wherever you get your books: https://wwnorton.com/books/97803938813490:00 New York Governor Kathy Hochul’s controversial decision to post the National Guard in the subway4:25 Charles defends pretrial detentions …12:45 … but he sees the problem with long pretrial detentions19:05 The ongoing—and occasionally halting—recovery from 202023:21 Are any major cities doing law enforcement and criminal justice right?29:52 Charles: I’ve seen no evidence that police unions abet misconduct34:38 Charles’s unsexy solutions for decreasing police misconduct38:00 Our present drift toward social toleration of drug use43:40 The perils of legalized sports gambling49:57 Charles: Long-term, medically assisted treatment is the best way to get addiction rates down53:06 Are we under-counting hate crimes?Recorded March 22, 2024Links and ReadingsCharles’s Substack, The Causal FallacyCharles’s City Journal piece, “Yes, New York’s Bail Reform Has Increased Crime”Charles and co-author Elias Neibart’s Manhattan Institute report, “Is Less Always More? The Unintended Consequences of New York State’s Parole Reform”Glenn’s conversation with Matthew MartensMatthew Martens’s book, Reforming Criminal Justice: A Christian ProposalCharles and co-author Reihan Salam’s Atlantic piece, “We’re Underfunding the Police”Tom Wolfe’s book, The Bonfire of the VanitiesCharles’s Substack post, “The Police Unions Puzzle”Glenn’s conversation with Philip K. HowardPhilip K. Howard’s book, Not Accountable: Rethinking the Constitutionality of Public Employee UnionsCharles’s City Journal piece, “Combat the Drug Crisis” This is a public episode. If you’d like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit glennloury.substack.com/subscribe

Transcribed - Published: 26 April 2024

John McWhorter & Clifton Duncan – Ideology is Killing American Theater

PREORDER Glenn's memoir, LATE ADMISSIONS: CONFESSIONS OF A BLACK CONSERVATIVE. Available here or wherever you get your books: https://wwnorton.com/books/97803938813490:00 A message from Glenn4:00 Why Clifton is planning a one-man show about Thomas Sowell9:42 The challenge of portraying Sowell onstage13:45 How Clifton is getting the show off the ground19:01 The lure of acting22:43 2020’s affect on the racial dynamics of the theater30:40 Clifton: Top-down DEI casting edicts are “central planning for art”40:25 The racial attitude that’s “destroying black artists,” according to Viola Davis47:27 Why Clifton changed his position about COVID pandemic measures1:04:29 The left’s valuation of vulnerability1:14:21 Why Clifton’s career fell apart after 20201:24:56 If progressives like the COVID vaccines, why don’t they give Trump any credit?1:29:05 The problem of the black independent thinkerRecorded April 13, 2024Links & ReadingClifton’s Substack, State of the ArtsThomas Sowell’s 1983 appearance on William F. Buckley’s Firing LineThomas Sowell’s memoir, A Personal OdysseyCheryl West’s play, Before It Hits HomeSuzan-Lori Parks’s 365 Plays/365 DaysDonald Bogle’s book, Toms, Coons, Mulattoes, Mammies, and Bucks: An Interpretive History of Blacks in American FilmsDonald Bogle’s book, Primetime Blues: African Americans on Network TelevisionThe Great Barrington DeclarationAndrew Lobaczewski’s book, Political Ponerology: The Science of Evil, Psychopathy, and the Origins of Totalitarianism This is a public episode. If you’d like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit glennloury.substack.com/subscribe

Transcribed - Published: 19 April 2024

Michael Shellenberger – The Censorship-Industrial Complex

PREORDER Glenn's memoir, LATE ADMISSIONS: CONFESSIONS OF A BLACK CONSERVATIVE. Available here or wherever you get your books: https://wwnorton.com/books/97803938813490:00 Michael’s new role at the University of Austin5:41 Michael’s “civilization” trilogy9:40 The rise of pro-censorship opinion among Democrats17:05 Do new communication technologies require revising our ideas about free speech?21:53 The Censorship-Industrial Complex28:10 The anti-censorship benefits of the Streisand Effect35:37 The government’s role in censorship at Facebook42:04 What you can’t say about war45:19 The dehumanizing effects of Black Lives Matters protests55:25 Forming an anti-nihilist coalition1:00:36 Embracing American liberal democracyRecorded March 21, 2024Links and ReadingsMichael’s Substack, PublicUniversity of AustinMichael’s book, Apocalypse Never: Why Environmental Alarmism Hurts Us AllMichael’s book, San Fransicko: Why Progressives Ruin CitiesAndrew Lobaczewski’s book, Political Ponerology: The Science of Evil, Psychopathy, and the Origins of TotalitarianismMartin Gurri’s book, The Revolt of the Public and the Crisis of Authority in the New MillenniumThe WPATH FilesJohn McWhorter’s book, Woke Racism: How a New Religion Has Betrayed Black AmericaErnest Becker’s book, The Denial of DeathGlenn’s City Journal essay, “The Case for Black Patriotism”John Burn-Murdoch’s Financial Times piece, “America is undergoing a racial realignment”Abigail Schrier’s book, Bad Therapy: Why the Kids Aren’t Growing UpJonathan Haidt’s book, The Anxious Generation: How the Great Rewiring of Childhood Is Causing an Epidemic of Mental IllnessRob Henderson’s book, Troubled: A Memoir of Foster Care, Family, and Social ClassGlenn’s conversation with Rob Henderson This is a public episode. If you’d like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit glennloury.substack.com/subscribe

Transcribed - Published: 12 April 2024

A Message from Glenn

A message from Glenn concerning his surgery, his recovery, and what you can expect from The Glenn Show over the next month. This is a public episode. If you’d like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit glennloury.substack.com/subscribe

Transcribed - Published: 11 April 2024

John McWhorter and Keith Ellison – Prosecuting Derek Chauvin

PREORDER Glenn's memoir, LATE ADMISSIONS: CONFESSIONS OF A BLACK CONSERVATIVE. Available here or wherever you get your books: https://wwnorton.com/books/97803938813490:00 Why Minnesota Attorney General Keith Ellison wanted to come on TGS4:42 Keith’s defense of the George Floyd trials’ verdicts9:54 John: We weren’t wrong to ask the questions we asked, even if our answers came up short at first13:00: Keith: Liz Collin doesn’t seem to believe that police misconduct actually exists16:40 How Keith accounts for racial disparities in criminal behavior21:36 The emotional dimension of prosecution27:15 Keith’s argument for integration and against charter schools35:19 The redlining debate40:00 The burning of Minneapolis’s 3rd Precinct44:45 Keith: “‘Defund the police’ is dumb”46:38 What’s causing low police morale?50:25 Keith’s argument for a two-state solution and re-electing Biden55:41 Keith: Glenn and John play an important role in political discourse todayRecorded March 30, 2024Links and ReadingsKeith Ellison’s book, Break the Wheel: Ending the Cycle of Police ViolenceGlenn and John’s first conversation about The Fall of MinneapolisGlenn and John talk to Fall of Minneapolis filmmakers Liz Collin and JC ChaixGlenn and John talk George Floyd after Radley Balko’s first post on the documentaryRadley Balko’s Substack post, “The Retconning of George Floyd, Part One”Radley Balko’s Substack post, “The Retconning of George Floyd, Part Two”Radley Balko’s Substack post, “The Retconning of George Floyd, Part Three”Radley Balko’s response to Coleman HughesAlpha NewsRucker Johnson’s working paper, “Long-Run Impacts of School Desegregation & School Quality on Adult Attainments”John’s NYT piece, “What’s Missing from the Conversation about Systemic Racism”Equal Justice Initiative website This is a public episode. If you’d like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit glennloury.substack.com/subscribe

Transcribed - Published: 5 April 2024

March 2024 Q&A

This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit glennloury.substack.com Glenn and John answer questions submitted by Substack subscribers in their March 2024 Q&A session. Topics covered: race in America after Trayvon Martin, the Hughes-Balko debate, statistics vs. real life, denunciations of antisemitism, privileged African Americans and oppression, the origin story of Glenn and John, and John's alleged case of TDS.

Transcribed - Published: 3 April 2024

Amy Wax – The DEI Witch Hunt at Penn Law

PREORDER Glenn's memoir, LATE ADMISSIONS: CONFESSIONS OF A BLACK CONSERVATIVE. Available here or wherever you get your books: https://wwnorton.com/books/97803938813490:00 The charges Amy faces at Penn4:08 Glenn: I’ve said some of things that have gotten Amy in trouble myself10:04 Amy: “You might as well erase the veritas from [Penn’s] mission statement”18:18 What’s really at issue in the Amy Wax indictment24:06 Amy’s race realist rebuttal to DEI34:43 Isn’t there room for some efforts toward proportional representation?43:46 When IQ differences matter and when they don’tRecorded March 20, 2024Links and ReadingsAmy’s 2021 TGS appearanceAmy’s 2022 TGS appearanceThe leaked Penn Hearing Board recommendationsGlenn’s 2021 conversation with Charles MurrayCharles Murray’s book, Facing Reality: Two Truths about Race in AmericaAmy’s review of Facing Reality in the Claremont Review This is a public episode. If you’d like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit glennloury.substack.com/subscribe

Transcribed - Published: 29 March 2024

John McWhorter – SATs, Colorblindness, and New Movies on Race

PREORDER Glenn's memoir, LATE ADMISSIONS: CONFESSIONS OF A BLACK CONSERVATIVE. Available here or wherever you get your books: https://wwnorton.com/books/97803938813490:00 The word about Ron DeSantis on the streets of Key West3:32 John’s awards show allergy6:41 The realness of American Fiction14:50 Rustin’s narrow historical vision21:56 The SATs are on their way back23:23 Afraid to flagrantly split infinitives and end sentences with prepositions? That’s something you should get over.26:29 What do we mean by “colorblindness” today?38:30 John: Maybe we have to be a little cold-hearted about colorblindness41:56 What does rigid colorblindness blind us to?46:40 What would Stanley Crouch do?51:08 Debating the presidential debatesRecorded March 16, 2024Links and ReadingsAmerican Fiction trailerPercival Everett’s novel, ErasureRustin trailerBayard Rustin’s 1965 Commentary essay, “From Protest to Politics: The Future of the Civil Rights Movement”John’s NYT piece, “No, the SAT Isn’t Racist”John’s NYT piece, “The ‘Rule’ against Ending Sentences with Prepositions Has Always Been Silly”Coleman Hughes’s book, The End of Race Politics: Arguments for a Colorblind AmericaStanley Crouch’s book, Notes of a Hanging Judge: Essays and Reviews, 1979-1989Stanley Crouch’s book, The All-American Skin Game, or The Decoy of Race: The Long and Short of It, 1990-1994 This is a public episode. If you’d like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit glennloury.substack.com/subscribe

Transcribed - Published: 22 March 2024

Matthew Martens – A Christian Case for Criminal Justice Reform

PREORDER Glenn's memoir, LATE ADMISSIONS: CONFESSIONS OF A BLACK CONSERVATIVE. Available here or wherever you get your books: https://wwnorton.com/books/97803938813490:00 Matthew’s theological perspective on criminal justice 5:28 Loving the criminal offender 8:10 25 years for an ounce-and-a-half of marijuana? 14:59 Christianity and the legal use of force 20:39 Matthew: I cannot enter the public square without considering my faith 24:48 Determining justice in a fallen world 29:35 What’s wrong with criminal justice today? 31:48 The problem of prosecutorial immunity 38:43 Matthew’s take on George Floyd 43:16 Has the criminal justice system truly reformed itself on race matters?50:00 The denial of bail and the denial of justice 56:37 Matthew: We don’t have quick, accurate, reliable verdicts 1:02:41 Why Matthew opposes the death penalty “as currently practiced in the United States” 1:08:21 How ordinary Americans can helpRecorded February 28, 2024Links and ReadingsMatthew’s book, Reforming Criminal Justice: A Christian ProposalRichard John Neuhaus’s book, The Naked Public Square: Religion and Democracy in AmericaPhilip Gorski, American Covenant: A History of Civil Religion from the Puritans to the PresentNational Register of ExonerationsSt. Irenaeus’s Against HeresiesKellen Funk and Sandra Mayson’s Harvard Law Review article, “Bail at the Founding” This is a public episode. If you’d like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit glennloury.substack.com/subscribe

Transcribed - Published: 15 March 2024

Rob Henderson – The Cost of Luxury Beliefs

PREORDER Glenn's memoir, LATE ADMISSIONS: CONFESSIONS OF A BLACK CONSERVATIVE. Available here or wherever you get your books: https://wwnorton.com/books/97803938813490:00 What makes an “elite”?4:37 Rob’s very rough early childhood7:39 Rob’s experience with foster care and adoption12:35 Why Rob joined the Air Force17:23 The uses of military discipline22:15 A 25-year-old military vet freshman at Yale24:55 Luxury beliefs and cultural capital29:56 Who bears the cost of defunding the police?35:43 Two-parent households for me but not for thee40:59 Revealed preferences and implicit understanding46:57 Interclass resentment as a political weapon52:45 How Rob became both the “token liberal” and the “token conservative”58:02 Rob: Poverty doesn’t necessarily generate social dysfunctionRecorded February 19, 2024Links and ReadingsRob’s memoir, Troubled: A Memoir of Foster Care, Family, and Social ClassRob’s SubstackRob’s Boston Globe op-ed, “The SAT is pathway to more college diversity, not less”Rob’s WSJ piece, “‘Luxury Beliefs’ That Only the Privileged Can Afford”Robert Putnam’s book, Our Kids: The American Dream in CrisisCharles Murray’s book, Coming Apart: The State of White America, 1960-2010Thorstein Veblen’s book, The Theory of the Leisure ClassPierre Bourdieu’s book, Distinction: A Social Critique of the Judgment of TasteMichael Knox Beran’s book, Wasps: The Splendors and Miseries of an American AristocracyRob’s NYT op-ed, “Why Being a Foster Child Made Me a Conservative" This is a public episode. If you’d like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit glennloury.substack.com/subscribe

Transcribed - Published: 8 March 2024

John McWhorter & Shane Hachey – Crime and Disorder in Minneapolis

PREORDER Glenn's memoir, LATE ADMISSIONS: CONFESSIONS OF A BLACK CONSERVATIVE. Available here or wherever you get your books: https://wwnorton.com/books/97803938813490:00 John: Keith Ellison disrespected me6:45 Did Derek Chauvin get a fair trial?16:22 Are Glenn and John headed for a confrontation with Ellison?23:30 Shane’s account of civil decay in Minneapolis29:24 Shane: The radicals are in charge35:30 What’s causing the anti-police sentiment in Minneapolis40:40 Violent crime in the George Floyd Square “autonomous zone”49:39 Shane: Even liberals need to vote Republican in local Minneapolis elections54:36 The Fani Willis issue in GeorgiaRecorded February 24, 2024Links and ReadingsKeith Ellison’s book, Breaking the Wheel: Ending the Cycle of Police ViolenceGlenn and John’s episode, “The Fall of Minneapolis Reconsidered”Radley Balko’s response to Glenn, John, and Coleman HughesRajiv Sethi and Brendan O’Flaherty book, Shadows of Doubt: Stereotypes, Crimes, and the Pursuit of JusticeShane’s websiteShane’s Alpha News piece on the community meeting about the new Minneapolis Third Precinct locationCrime Watch Minneapolis’s X pageColeman Hughes’s book, The End of Race Politics: Arguments for a Colorblind America This is a public episode. If you’d like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit glennloury.substack.com/subscribe

Transcribed - Published: 1 March 2024

Corey Brooks – Changing Black Lives on the South Side of Chicago

PREORDER Glenn's memoir, LATE ADMISSIONS: CONFESSIONS OF A BLACK CONSERVATIVE. Available here or wherever you get your books: https://wwnorton.com/books/97803938813490:00 Why Corey weighed in on the Claudine Gay controversy3:50 Corey: DEI doesn’t offer anything to those on the fringes of society10:16 Black opposition to Chicago’s “sanctuary city” status18:29 Why Corey supports the police21:47 Support for New Beginnings from outside Chicago23:25 The Rooftop Pastor25:00 Corey’s embrace of conservatism29:56 Project HOOD33:04 Chicago Mayor Brandon Johnson’s closure of test schools37:02 Class differences within the black communityRecorded January 31, 2024Links and ReadingsNew Beginnings ChurchProject HOODCorey’s Tablet piece, “America Works. DEI Doesn’t.”Inc covers the Elon Musk-Mark Cuban DEI exchange This is a public episode. If you’d like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit glennloury.substack.com/subscribe

Transcribed - Published: 23 February 2024

Shermichael Singleton – The Shaping of a Young Black Conservative [Bonus Episode]

PREORDER Glenn's memoir, LATE ADMISSIONS: CONFESSIONS OF A BLACK CONSERVATIVE. Available here or wherever you get your books: https://wwnorton.com/books/97803938813490:00 How an elementary school project turned Shermichael on to politics7:16 Black and Republican at Morehouse in the Obama era9:05 Why Shermichael is a conservative12:48 The two sides of black “progress”17:24 Shermichael: Identity matters, even for conservatives21:54 How Shermichael got booted from the Trump administration28:26 Shermichael’s relatively positive assessment of Trump’s presidency32:29 Was Trump’s post-election behavior good for conservatism?37:43 The counterintuitive Evangelical support for Trump40:41 Shermichael’s mentors at Morehouse50:17 Encountering Thomas Sowell and Glenn56:19 What Ben Carson is up to these days58:51 The major intellectual influences on GlennRecorded January 4, 2024Links and ReadingsShermichael’s Ebony piece, “Young, Gifted (Conservative, Republican) and Black” (scroll down)Shermichael’s the Hill piece, “A Republican asks: Aren’t we morally obliged to stand up to Trump,” that got him firedRev. Dr. Robert Michael Franklin on MorehouseHit StrategiesAmerican Cornerstone InstituteThe Shermichael Singleton Show on Apple Podcasts This is a public episode. If you’d like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit glennloury.substack.com/subscribe

Transcribed - Published: 18 February 2024

John McWhorter – "The Fall of Minneapolis" Reconsidered

PREORDER Glenn's memoir, Late Admissions: Confessions of a Black Conservative. Available here or wherever you get your books: https://wwnorton.com/books/97803938813490:00 What’s wrong with Rhapsody in Blue?7:26 Radley Balko’s response to The Fall of Minneapolis, Coleman Hughes, Glenn, and John17:26 Were Liz Collin and JC Chaix dishonest in their documentary about Derek Chauvin?19:55 Were Glenn and John too credulous about The Fall of Minneapolis?25:41 Hughes’s new book, The End of Race Politics28:26 The problem with colorblindness36:30 The interrelatedness of “black culture” and “American culture”43:52 John: No one’s going to be excited about a Biden-Harris ticket this time around52:59 Tucker Carlson’s interview with Vladimir PutinRecorded February 11, 2024Links and ReadingsJohn’s NYT piece, “No, ‘Rhapsody in Blue’ Is Not ‘The Worst’”Glenn and John’s conversation about The Fall of MinneapolisGlenn and John’s conversation with Liz Collin and JC ChaixLiz Collin and JC Chaix’s documentary, The Fall of MinneapolisRadley Balko’s Substack post, “The Retconning of George Floyd”Coleman Hughes’s Free Press piece, “What Really Happened to George Floyd”Coleman Hughes’s book, The End of Race Politics: Arguments for a Colorblind AmericaThe trailer for RustinGlenn’s 2003 NYT oped, “Affirmative Action—and Reaction; Admissions (and Denials) of Responsibility”A clip from Coleman Hughes’s most recent appearance on Real Time with Bill MaherRoss Douthat’s NYT piece, “The Question Is Not If Biden Should Step Aside. It’s How.”Tucker Carlson’s interview with Vladimir Putin This is a public episode. If you’d like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit glennloury.substack.com/subscribe

Transcribed - Published: 16 February 2024

Rajiv Sethi – Self-Censorship on Campus

PREORDER Glenn's memoir, LATE ADMISSIONS: CONFESSIONS OF A BLACK CONSERVATIVE. Available here or wherever you get your books: https://wwnorton.com/books/97803938813490:00 The conversations that aren’t happening on college campuses4:16 Staying informed about Israel-Palestine9:22 Glenn: Don’t subject me to a loyalty test12:14 Rajiv: High-minded principles alone won’t solve the self-censorship problem18:11 “The Naked Emperor Equilibrium”21:52 The game theoretical aspect of Glenn’s memoir25:35 An homage to Thomas Schelling27:31 Rajiv’s work on police use-of-force, then and now30:36 The predictive value of political betting markets42:44 Robert Solow’s intellectual family tree46:16 The lopsided distribution of elite economists49:08 Rajiv: Big econ departments should take more chances on candidates51:52 The mind-boggling geographical variation in police killings56:09 Why Rajiv doesn’t take pride in other Indian-Americans’ successRecorded January 26, 2024Links and ReadingsNoam Dworman’s TGS appearanceNoam Dworman’s podcast, Live from the TableNorman Finkelstein and Eli Lake on Live from the TableBenny Morris’s book, One State, Two States: Resolving the Israel/Palestine CrisisRashid Khalidi on Live from the TableBenny Morris on Live from the TableTara Henley’s Lean OutIlan Pappé’s book, The Ethnic Cleansing of PalestineGlenn’s essay, “Self-Censorship in Public Discourse: A Theory of ‘Political Correctness’ and Related PhenomenaGlenn’s conversation with Omer BartovGlenn’s conversation with Norman FinkelsteinNorman Finkelstein’s book, I’ll Burn That Bridge When I Get to It!: Heretical Thoughts on Identity Politics, Cancel Culture, and Academic FreedomGlenn’s conversation with John MearsheimerJohn Mearsheimer and Stephen Walt’s book, The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign PolicyUniversity of Chicago’s 1967 Kalven Committee ReportUniversity of Chicago’s 2014 “Chicago Principles” on freedom of expressionElizabeth Noelle-Neumann’s book, The Spiral of Silence: Public Opinion—Our Second SkinTimothy Kuran’s book, Private Truths, Public Lies: The Social Consequences of Preference FalsificationThomas Schelling’s book, The Strategy of ConflictRajiv and Brendan O’Flahery’s book, Shadows of Doubt: Stereotypes, Crime, and Pursuit of JusticeGunnar Myrdal’s book, An American Dilemma: The Negro Problem and Modern DemocracyRajiv’s Substack, Imperfect InformationRajiv’s Substack post, “Economic Growth and the Growth of Economics: Reflections on Robert Solow”Ralph Ellison’s essay 1970 essay, “What America Would Be Like without Blacks” This is a public episode. If you’d like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit glennloury.substack.com/subscribe

Transcribed - Published: 9 February 2024

Noam Dworman – Friendship in a Time of War (Bonus Episode)

PREORDER Glenn's memoir, LATE ADMISSIONS: CONFESSIONS OF A BLACK CONSERVATIVE. Available here or wherever you get your books: https://wwnorton.com/books/97803938813490:00 Why Noam gave Glenn a bag of books about Israel5:25 Why Glenn felt burned after The Bell Curve8:49 Loyalty among friends during the Gaza War13:15 The blowback from Brown’s ceasefire letter17:18 Talking about Israel across the ideological spectrum19:42 Glenn: Loyalty tests are unreasonable23:16 Trying to understand the human costs of war26:26 Glenn: There is no decent alternative to a two-state solution33:32 “Apartheid,” “genocide,” and other potentially unhelpful terms39:29 Noam: Thank God for President Biden44:13 Why Noam is worried about American attitudes toward Israel49:08 Will the Gaza War end up strengthening Hamas?56:08 The tone-deafness of some supporters of IsraelRecorded January 31, 2023Links and ReadingsNoam’s podcast, Live from the TableThe Glenn Show Live at the Comedy CellarGlenn and John Live at the Comedy CellarCharles Murray and Richard Herrnstein’s book, The Bell Curve: Intelligence and Class Structure in American LifeGlenn’s conversation with Charles MurrayThe Brown University faculty’s ceasefire letterGlenn’s conversation with Omer BartovGlenn’s conversation with Norman FinkelsteinGlenn’s conversation with John MearsheimerGlenn’s most recent conversation with Robert WrightBenny Morris’s book, One State, Two States: Resolving the Israel/Palestine ConflictAaron Maté’s appearance on Noam’s podcast This is a public episode. If you’d like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit glennloury.substack.com/subscribe

Transcribed - Published: 4 February 2024

John McWhorter – Is DEI on Its Way Out?

PREORDER Glenn's memoir, LATE ADMISSIONS: CONFESSIONS OF A BLACK CONSERVATIVE. Available here or wherever you get your books: https://wwnorton.com/books/97803938813490:00 John: Claudine Gay needed to resign, but her plagiarism wasn’t a mortal sin 6:50 Has DEI taken a hit after the Gay controversy? 13:50 When “DEI” really means “racial preferences” 22:12 The case of Neri Oxman 23:52 John: Bill Ackman looks “absurd” 26:47 Three cheers for John’s dinosaurs 28:22 Is Glenn really a “black conservative”? 31:11 The three dimensions of black conservatism 37:50 Black elites and immigration 42:35 Ibram X. Kendi undeterred 44:48 Roland Fryer is still standing 46:48 Is Amy Wax getting railroaded by Penn?Recorded January 27, 2024Links and ReadingsJohn’s NYT piece, “We Need a New Word for ‘Plagiarism’”Elon Musk’s DEI airline post on XNeri Oxman’s CVAdolph Reed’s essay, “‘What Are the Drums Saying, Booker?’: The Curious Role of the Black Public Intellectual” (originally published in the Village Voice, April 11, 1995)Wilfred Reilly’s comparative IQ post on XRecording of Amy Wax’s FIRE webinarGlenn’s December 2021 episode with Amy WaxGlenn’s August 2022 episode with Amy WaxCharles Murray’s book, Human Diversity: The Biology of Race, Gender, and ClassGlenn’s conversation with Charles Murray This is a public episode. If you’d like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit glennloury.substack.com/subscribe

Transcribed - Published: 2 February 2024

David Kaiser – States of the Union

Preorder Glenn's memoir, Late Admissions: Confessions of a Black Conservative. Available here or wherever you get your books: https://wwnorton.com/books/97803938813490:00 The many, many books of David Kaiser3:01 David: Claudine Gay is a symptom, not a cause, of what’s wrong at Harvard6:09 Western Civilization and elitism at Harvard10:03 Meritorious elitism and luxury elitism12:35 Intellectuals in the wild14:28 How James Bryant Conant built the modern Harvard …17:33 … and how it was broken18:52 Glenn’s previous conversation with Omer Bartov24:12 Why David thinks the Gaza War falls short of genocide but maybe not ethnic cleansing25:51 What Claudine Gay could (and maybe should) have said at her congressional hearing27:51 Why David thinks originalists will have a problem rejecting attempts to remove Trump from electoral ballots32:38 David: Mitch McConnell should have impeached Trump when he had the chance36:07 David’s new book, States of the Union41:03 Have state of the union addresses always been as boring as they are now?44:55 Washington, Lincoln, FDR, Reagan, and their legacies57:37 Why Obama didn’t propose a New New Deal after the 2008 financial crisis1:01:01 Biden’s silenceRecorded January 10, 2024Links and ReadingsDavid’s book, Economic Diplomacy and the Origin of the Second World War: Germany, Britain, France, and Eastern Europe, 1930-1939David’s book, Politics and War: European Conflict from Philip II to HitlerDavid’s book, American Tragedy: Kennedy, Johnson, and the Origins of the Vietnam WarDavid’s book, The Road to Dallas: The Assassination of John F. KennedyDavid’s book, Baseball Greatness: Top Players and Teams According to Wins Above Average, 1901-2017David’s book, NFL 1965: The Most Exciting SeasonDavid’s book, A Life in HistoryDavid’s book, States of the Union: A History of the United States through Presidential Addresses, 1789-2023Glenn’s previous conversation with DavidFareed Zakaria on elite universitiesGlenn’s conversation with Omer BartovDavid’s blog, History UnfoldingDavid’s blog post about the Fourteenth AmendmentHoward Zinn’s book, A People’s History of the United StatesJohn F. Kennedy’s June 11, 1963 address on segregation This is a public episode. If you’d like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit glennloury.substack.com/subscribe

Transcribed - Published: 26 January 2024

Ilya Shapiro, Robert George & Randall Kennedy – Clarence Thomas: Black American Icon

Preorder Late Admissions: Confessions of a Black Conservative wherever you buy your books.If you missed Wednesday’s City Journal and Manhattan Institute-hosted livestream, I’ve got you covered. Today I’m releasing the recording of that livestream as a special bonus episode. This event marked the publication of my City Journal essay “Clarence Thomas and Me,” and I had a stellar line-up alongside me to discuss the essay and the work of Clarence Thomas: Ilya Shapiro of the Manhattan Institute, Robert George of Princeton, and Randall Kennedy of Harvard Law School. 0:00 Introductions2:58 Why Glenn wrote “Clarence Thomas and Me”5:27 Randall: “Justice Thomas trades on his blackness”10:58 Glenn: Clarence Thomas has not “betrayed black people”12:30 Thomas’s engagement with natural law jurisprudence19:29 How would Thomas have come down on Brown v. Board of Education?20:55 The loyalty trap24:20 Randall: Thomas’s originalism may also commit him to sanctioning segregation28:24 Robbie: There are originalist interpretations that support Brown v. Board of Education34:07 Thomas’s race cases36:03 Glenn: Thomas can act as both a principled jurist and as an advocate for the rights of African Americans40:56 Randall: In 100 years, people will regard Shelby County v. Holder as one of the worst decisions in the Court’s history44:36 Maintaining integrity under pressure51:22 What are the differences between Thomas’s, Scalia’s, and Alito’s originalisms?55:30 Will Thomas have broader popularity in the future?1:01:10 Is racial solidarity inconsistent with judicial impartiality?1:03:30 Closing remarksRecorded January 17, 2024Links and ReadingsGlenn’s City Journal essay, “Clarence Thomas and Me”Glenn’s book, One by One from the Inside Out : Essays and Reviews on Race and Responsibility in AmericaMichael McConnell’s article, “The Originalist Case for Brown v. Board of Education”Randy Barnett and Evan Bernick’s book, The Original Meaning of the Fourteenth Amendment: Its Letter and SpiritLon Fuller’s book, The Morality of LawThe documentary on Clarence Thomas, Created Equal This is a public episode. If you’d like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit glennloury.substack.com/subscribe

Transcribed - Published: 19 January 2024

John McWhorter – Claudine Gay, MLK, and GLENN'S NEW BOOK

0:00 Preorder Glenn’s forthcoming memoir, Late Admissions: Confessions of a Black Conservative2:17 Why Glenn wrote a memoir (and why you should order it now)8:59 A ringing endorsement from John10:00 What does Martin Luther King Jr. Day mean in 2024?15:28 Preserving King’s belief in “the content of our character”16:20 What would King have thought of Claudine Gay?20:20 King’s radicalism25:54 John: Being against DEI does not make you a racist28:10 The Tabia Lee affair at D’Anza Community College29:58 How Claudine Gay should have reacted to the plagiarism scandal32:47 Glenn: “The DEI movement is hoist on its own petard”35:57 How DEI’s dominance has improved John’s home media set-up41:41 John’s upcoming cabaret showLinks and ReadingsJohn’s NYT piece, “Claudine Gay Was Not Driven Out Because She Is Black”Glenn’s conversation with Tabia Lee“All’s Fair in Love and War” from Gold Diggers of 1937 This is a public episode. If you’d like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit glennloury.substack.com/subscribe

Transcribed - Published: 15 January 2024

Omer Bartov – Israel's Hard Right Turn

0:00 The long road leading to the Gaza War9:14 Don’t Palestinians have some responsibility for the current state of affairs?9:48 The precedent of the 1973 Yom Kippur War11:26 Omer: Israel only negotiates under pressure13:31 Netanyahu and the assassination of Yitzhak Rabin15:27 The US’s military support for Israel16:32 The origins of Hamas20:20 Omer: Netanyahu’s coalition is “a mirror image of Hamas”24:45 The threat to democracy in Israel26:27 Omer: Netanyahu is driving the country to the right in order to avoid a corruption trial30:07 How “Jewish supremacists” have gained control of Israel’s government34:01 Why Omer’s Zionism does not commit him to defending Israel’s actions36:46 The risk of genocide in Gaza40:05 The IDF’s procedure in the Gaza invasion43:09 What will happen to the Gazan refugees?45:00 The international community’s role in finding a resolution to the Gaza War48:17 Is the IDF “the most moral army in the world”?54:39 The revenge motive57:07 Omer: The campaign in Gaza is a fiasco59:38 A US-led plan for “the day after”1:04:37 Is peace in Israel a pollyannaish pipe dream?Recorded January 2, 2023Links and ReadingsBenny Morris’s book, One State, Two States: Resolving the Israel-Palestine ConflictOmer’s New Statesman piece, “Both Netanyahu and Hamas see this crisis as an opportunity”Hamas’s 1988 charterOmer’s NYT op-ed, “What I Believe as a Historian of Genocide” This is a public episode. If you’d like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit glennloury.substack.com/subscribe

Transcribed - Published: 12 January 2024

John McWhorter – The Best of Glenn and John 2023

I had planned to release the first Glenn and John episode of 2024 on New Year’s Day. Unfortunately, life had other plans, and John and I could not record as scheduled. So instead, my staff put together this collection of some of our favorite clips from 2023. John and I covered a lot of ground last year. Here you’ll see us addressing African American performance on standardized tests, the Supreme Court’s affirmative action decision, the riots of 2020, the Gaza War, and other big topics on the show.0:00 A New Year's message from Glenn2:36 How do we know that African Americans are just as smart as everyone else?11:15 Glenn goes in on the 2020 riots16:34 John: I love linguistics, but linguistics no longer loves me25:37 Glenn: How can anyone argue that race-based affirmative action doesn’t violate the 14th Amendment?34:58 When the smoke clears in Gaza45:34 John: “We’ve been lied to” about George Floyd’s death54:32 Glenn and John revisit their first conversation This is a public episode. If you’d like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit glennloury.substack.com/subscribe

Transcribed - Published: 5 January 2024

Philip Howard – Getting Unions Out of Government

0:00 Philip’s early work on post-nuclear war recovery2:26 Philip’s skepticism toward the role of lawyers in the US4:34 What’s wrong with the EPA, OSHA, and the EEOC?6:59 How to ensure worker safety without “4,000 rules”8:07 Why the US spends so much on healthcare11:32 Philip: We’ve degenerated into a culture of distrust14:58 The origins of American distrust18:42 Re-instilling trust21:38 The problems of national security and public health26:57 Are public employee unions constitutional?39:35 Market constraints don’t hold for government employees34:55 Do public sector workers need protection from exploitation?39:22 Philip: “Public service is repellant to good candidates”40:58 A short history of the civil service46:49 Is Philip inveighing against the Democratic Party and the labor movement at large?53:12 Philip: Police unions prevent accountability, too56:08 The necessity of a constitutional solution to public unions1:00:58 Philip: The political organizing of public unions harms the public1:04:46 Would the current Supreme Court be receptive to Philip’s case?Recorded October 27, 2023Links and ReadingsPhilip’s book, The Death of Common Sense: How Law Is Suffocating AmericaPhilip’s book, Life Without Lawyers: Restoring Responsibility in AmericaPhilip’s latest book, Not Accountable: Rethinking the Constitutionality of Public Employee UnionsEdward Banfield’s book, The Moral Basis of a Backward SocietyRobert Putnam’s book, Making Democracy Work: Civic Traditions in Modern ItalyPhilip’s forthcoming book, Everyday Freedom: Designing the Framework for a Flourishing Society This is a public episode. If you’d like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit glennloury.substack.com/subscribe

Transcribed - Published: 29 December 2023

John McWhorter, Liz Collin & JC Chaix – Filmmakers Reveal the Truth about George Floyd

0:00 How Liz and JC came to collaborate on their doc, The Fall of Minneapolis4:18 JC: No, the footage in the doc is not AI-manipulated6:08 How much of the body cam footage is previously unseen?8:18 Who lied about George Floyd, what did they lie about, and why?13:30 The relevance of Floyd’s behavior during the incident17:30 JC: Minneapolis Chief of Police Arradondo perjured himself22:30 Minnesota DA Keith Ellison’s email to Glenn24:11 The expert testimony from Dr. Martin Tobin on Floyd’s cause of death26:12 Adjudicating disputes about the cause of death34:36 Were racial justice tropes part of the Floyd incident?38:20 Why Liz and JC think Derek Chauvin didn’t get a fair trial41:28 Why JC didn’t include the entire viral video of Floyd in the doc44:30 What Chauvin told JC about the incident47:40 Humanizing the Minnesota police50:41 The aftermath of the Minneapolis riots55:32 The lawsuits that followed the Floyd family’s settlement56:34 The drugs that “complicated” Floyd’s restraintRecorded December 16, 2023.Links and ReadingsGlenn and John’s episode about The Fall of MinneapolisLiz and JC’s documentary, The Fall of MinneapolisLiz’s book, They're Lying: The Media, The Left, and The Death of George Floyd This is a public episode. If you’d like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit glennloury.substack.com/subscribe

Transcribed - Published: 22 December 2023

Tabia Lee – An Ex-DEI Director Speaks Out

0:00 Tabia’s early career as a teacher5:40 Tabia’s “rough ride” as a DEI director17:06 The antisemitism problem at De Anza25:25 The inescapable BIPOC binary28:52 From disagreement to deplatforming35:30 Why Tabia found support among students but not faculty39:00 How attempts to silence Tabia backfired40:54 Tabia’s broad vision of diversity47:46 Learning from the medical professionals of GalileeRecorded November 27, 2023Links and ReadingsTabia’s New York Post piece, “I was a DEI director — DEI drives campus antisemitism”Tabia’s Compact piece, “A Black DEI Director Canceled by DEI”Foundation Against Intolerance and RacismDo No Harm MedicineCoalition for Empowered Education This is a public episode. If you’d like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit glennloury.substack.com/subscribe

Transcribed - Published: 15 December 2023

John McWhorter – The Truth about George Floyd's Death

0:00 A new documentary about George Floyd’s death raises new questions5:42 John: “We’ve been lied to” about George Floyd’s death14:27 The price of a “poetic truth”20:09 Was the Derek Chauvin jury intimidated into delivering a guilty verdict?23:26 Glenn: George Floyd was no hero29:03 The burning of Minneapolis’s 3rd Precinct34:54 Is there any hope of changing the George Floyd narrative?41:48 Who will take responsibility for changing things in black America?Recorded December 2, 2023Links and ReadingsGlenn and John’s May 2020 episode, “Cops and Race”Liz Collin and JC Chaix’s documentary, The Fall of MinneapolisEli and Shelby Steele’s documentary, What Killed Michael Brown?Barbershop, “OJ did it”Coleman Hughes’s forthcoming book, The End of Race Politics: Arguments for a Colorblind America This is a public episode. If you’d like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit glennloury.substack.com/subscribe

Transcribed - Published: 8 December 2023

November 2023 Q&A

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Transcribed - Published: 6 December 2023

Erec Smith – Free Black Thought

0:00 Is “black heterodoxy” a euphemism for “black conservatism”?13:34 Classical liberalism’s role in Free Black Thought15:07 Erec: I saw things while working as a diversity officer that I can’t unsee22:47 Why the Democratic Party doesn’t like Erec30:38 How Free Black Thought is fostering agency in the black community36:16 Erec: The onus is on us, not affirmative action, to prepare black students for college45:19 What is rhetoric, anyway?Recorded November 13, 2023Links and ReadingsErec’s nonprofit, Free Black ThoughtJournal of Free Black ThoughtFree Black Thought’s podcastMinnesota’s Take Charge programThe Hidden Genius ProjectGlenn’s essay in the Journal of Free Black Thought, “Wrestle Not against Flesh and Blood” This is a public episode. If you’d like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit glennloury.substack.com/subscribe

Transcribed - Published: 1 December 2023

John McWhorter, Daniel Bessner & Tyler Austin Harper – The Gaza War and the Crisis of Liberalism

0:00 The state of campus speech after 10/75:48 Daniel: Why are critics of cancel culture silent when it comes to Israel?15:43 “Explaining” Hamas vs. “excusing” Hamas26:17 Tyler: American Jewish students worried about their safety have been primed by modern identity politics29:31 The tension between DEI and antisemitism response teams38:17 The linguistic ambiguity of “From the river to the sea”43:41 The irreconcilable conflict between campus social justice and donor funding47:49 If not liberalism, then what?53:51 Tyler: Postwar political conservatism is coming apartRecorded November 18, 2023Links and ReadingsDaniel’s podcast, American PrestigeGlenn’s conversation with Yascha Mounk (recorded October 3, 2023)Adam Shatz’s book, The Rebel’s Clinic: The Revolutionary Lives of Frantz FanonLisa Stampnitzky’s book, Disciplining Terror: How Experts Invented “Terrorism”Daniel’s essay in the Nation, “A Bad Breakup”Theodor Adorno and Max Horkheimer’s book, Dialectic of Enlightenment: Philosophical FragmentsDaniel’s Harper’s essay, “Empire Burlesque” This is a public episode. If you’d like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit glennloury.substack.com/subscribe

Transcribed - Published: 24 November 2023

Robert Wright – The Gaza War Will Create More Terrorists (Bonus Episode)

0:00 How Bob gave Glenn his start in podcasting2:05 Is the Gaza War in Israel’s best interests …11:46 … and if not, what should Israel have done in response to October 7?18:06 How Hamas gained control of Gaza26:53 Bob: Some in the Israeli government wouldn’t mind a wider war in the Middle East36:46 What does “From the river to the sea” actually mean?46:10 Bob: Every settlement in the West Bank is a war crime54:20 The psychology of victimhood and retribution1:00:37 The challenge of spiritual transformationRecorded November 13, 2023Links and ReadingsBob’s Substack, the Nonzero NewsletterBrown University faculty’s call for a ceasefireGlenn’s conversation with John McWhorter, “Thinking Through the Gaza War”Bob’s Nonzero Newsletter piece, “The Truth about Hamas”John Judis’s 2013 New Republic piece, “Clueless in Gaza”John Judis and Ruy Texeira’s book, Where Have All the Democrats Gone?: The Soul of the Party in the Age of ExtremesBob’s Nonzero Newsletter piece, “The ‘River to the Sea’ Rorschach Test”Bob debates Eli Lake on Israel-PalestineJimmy Carter’s book, Palestine: Peace Not ApartheidBob’s book, Why Buddhism is True: The Science and Philosophy of Meditation and EnlightenmentThe documentary Disturbing the Peace This is a public episode. If you’d like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit glennloury.substack.com/subscribe

Transcribed - Published: 19 November 2023

Yascha Mounk – The Identity Trap

0:35 A quick announcement1:46 What led Yascha to write about identity6:22 An intellectual history of “identity synthesis”12:15 What’s so bad about “strategic essentialism”?19:15 From postmodernism to post-civil rights28:45 The three key claims of identity synthesis36:02 What led up to the summer of 2020?45:51 The hermetically sealed ideology of Kendi and DiAngelo50:45 Yascha’s defense of universalismRecorded October 3, 2023Links and ReadingsYascha’s new book, The Identity Trap: A Story of Ideas and Power in Our TimeMichel Foucault’s book, The Order of Things: An Archaeology of the Human SciencesEdward Said’s book, OrientalismGayatri Spivak’s essay, “Can the Subaltern Speak?”Glenn’s debate with Kmele Foster, Shelby Steele, Robert Woodson, and Reihan SalamKaren and Barbara Fields’s book, Racecraft: The Soul of Inequality in American LifeTommie Shelby’s book, We Who Are Dark: The Philosophical Foundations of Black SolidarityNoam Chomsky and Michel Foucault’s 1971 debate on Dutch televisionDerrick Bell’s book, Faces at the Bottom of the Well: The Permanence of RacismDerrick Bell’s essay, “Serving Two Masters: Integration Ideals and Client Interests in School Desegregation Litigation”Mahalia Jackson singing “We Shall Overcome”Roy D’Andrade’s article, “Moral Models in Anthropology” This is a public episode. If you’d like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit glennloury.substack.com/subscribe

Transcribed - Published: 17 November 2023

Reza Aslan – An American Martyr in Persia

0:00 Persia at the turn of the twentieth century6:43 Woodrow Wilson’s contradictions11:14 Did Howard Baskerville escape the prejudices of his time?16:39 How Baskerville got involved in Persia’s democratic revolution26:43 How Czar Nicholas II aided the counter-revolution32:29 The erasure of Baskerville in post-1979 Iran36:31 The theological origin of the Islamic Republic of Iran45:01 Reza: Ordinary Iranians actually love American culture48:51 The internal and external pressures on Iran57:21 The amorality of foreign policyRecorded October 25, 2023Links and ReadingsReza’s book, Zealot: The Life and Times of Jesus of NazarethReza’s new book, An American Martyr in Persia: The Epic Life and Tragic Death of Howard Baskerville This is a public episode. If you’d like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit glennloury.substack.com/subscribe

Transcribed - Published: 10 November 2023

October 2023 Q&A

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Transcribed - Published: 8 November 2023

John McWhorter – Thinking Through the Gaza War

0:00 Why John thinks pro-Hamas sentiment on the American left is racist 6:11 Distinguishing between anti-colonialism and antisemitism 12:46 There are great crimes in America’s past. But we shouldn’t let them define us.17:08 Glenn: We’re standing on the precipice of something catastrophic 27:57 John’s proposal for the US’s role in Israel’s domestic conflict 34:59 Is it right for people to lose their jobs over opposing Israel? 42:07 Why are pro-Hamas leftists supporting an anti-liberal regime? 47:01 Glenn and John’s responsibilities as teachers 52:26 What’s next on TGSRecorded October 28, 2023Links and ReadingsJohn’s Free Press piece, “The Ultimate Condescension Toward Palestinians”Adam Shatz’s LRB essay, “Vengeful Pathologies”Joe Biden’s Oval Office address on Israel and UkraineReza Aslan’s book, Zealot: The Life and Times of Jesus of NazarethReza Aslan’s new book, An American Martyr in Persia: The Epic Life and Tragic Death of Howard Baskerville This is a public episode. If you’d like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit glennloury.substack.com/subscribe

Transcribed - Published: 3 November 2023

John Mearsheimer – America's Sunk Cost in Ukraine

0:00 Why John thinks Russia’s invasion of Ukraine was rational6:55 How small states deal with world powers10:13 If Russia’s action were rational, were the US’s?16:40 John: The Ukraine invasion violates international law, but Russia has reason to see it as just21:58 The risk of escalation29:26 Zelensky’s expert manipulation of the West33:51 Is it a coincidence that so many recent presidential scandals involve Ukraine?39:57 Can tolerant liberals tolerate illiberal societies?45:45 American Russophobia didn’t cause the war, but it’s not helping49:19 John: If Putin is overthrown, his replacement will probably be even more brutal53:35 The foreign policy establishment’s grip on both Democrats and RepublicansLinks and ReadingsJohn’s SubstackJohn’s book, with Sebastian Rosato, How States Think: The Rationality of Foreign PolicyJohn’s essay, “Bound to Lose” This is a public episode. If you’d like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit glennloury.substack.com/subscribe

Transcribed - Published: 27 October 2023

John McWhorter & Coleman Hughes – The Colorblindness Controversy and Israel-Hamas

0:00 The blowback from Coleman’s TED Talk 8:50 Did TED intentionally throttle promotion for Coleman’s talk? 17:08 John’s trouble with TED while promoting Woke Racism 20:21 Coleman’s forthcoming book, The End of Race Politics: Arguments for a Colorblind America 29:17 Race in public and private life 43:49 Closure on the TED affair 45:14 What are the goals of each side in the Israel-Palestine conflict? 51:58 Will the Israeli military response simply restart the cycle of violence and resentment? 1:02:15 The threat of post-October 7 overreactionLinks and ReadingsColeman’s Substack, Coleman’s CornerColeman’s podcast, Conversations with ColemanColeman’s forthcoming book, The End of Race Politics: Arguments for a Colorblind AmericaColeman's conversation with Glenn Greenwald about the TED TalkColeman’s TED Talk, “A Case for Color Blindness”Coleman’s Free Press piece, “Why Is TED Scared of Color Blindness”Coleman’s conversation with Jamelle BouieGeroge Packer’s Atlantic piece, “Israel Must Not React Stupidly” This is a public episode. If you’d like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit glennloury.substack.com/subscribe

Transcribed - Published: 20 October 2023

Randall Kennedy & Renu Mukherjee – A Debate on Affirmative Action, Live at Holy Cross

0:00 Introduction by Greg Burnep4:27 What does affirmative action mean in 2023?11:06 Randy’s distinction between “disadvantage” and “discrimination”18:21 Diversity’s double-talk31:18 Did the Supreme Court say discrimination is allowed at military academies?34:33 Glenn: Affirmative action distracts us from bigger problems41:16 Affirmative action is an elite problem48:48 Affirmative action as an insurance policy57:42 The stigmatization of affirmative action beneficiaries1:04:14 Glenn: Affirmative action has been a net positive, but it’s time to stop1:07:14 Q&A: Does historical injustice alone justify affirmative action?1:10:33 Q&A: Can and should colleges use loopholes to get around Students for Fair Admissions?1:14:50 Q&A: Does the “need” for affirmative action say something race or education?1:16:27 Q&A: What is the impact of SFFA beyond the university?1:23:35 Q&A: What about class-based affirmative action?Recorded September 20, 2023Links and ReadingsRandy’s book, Race, Crime, and the LawRandy’s book, For Discrimination: Race, Affirmative Action, and the LawGlenn’s conversation with Jay Caspian Kang This is a public episode. If you’d like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit glennloury.substack.com/subscribe

Transcribed - Published: 13 October 2023

September 2023 Q&A

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Transcribed - Published: 11 October 2023

John McWhorter & Dan Subotnik – The Ibram X. Kendi Scandal

0:00 What’s wrong with critical race theory, anyway? 3:31 Why “black Columbia” pretends that John doesn’t exist 12:08 CRT’s racial power-grab 18:06 Does the Jewish American example apply to African Americans? 23:10 Disguising failure as victimology 32:15 Why Dan thinks the CRT tide is ebbing 39:58 The schadenfreude of the Ibram X. Kendi scandal 51:00 John: “I’m embarrassed for Boston University” 56:40 Glenn: Kendi is just a cog in the fraudulent antiracist machine 1:04:31 The shame of the Kendi scandalRecorded September 30, 2023Links and ReadingsDan’s book, Toxic Diversity: Gender, Race, and Law Talk in AmericaFrantz Fanon’s book, The Wretched of the EarthAdam Schatz’s forthcoming biography, The Rebel’s Clinic: The Revolutionary Lives of Frantz FanonGlenn’s conversation with Norman FinkelsteinGlenn and John’s conversation with Don BatonGlenn and John’s conversation with James Beaman This is a public episode. If you’d like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit glennloury.substack.com/subscribe

Transcribed - Published: 6 October 2023

Sabrina Salvati & LaJuan Loury – Dems Take Fire from the Left

0:00 How Sabby got her start on YouTube6:18 What happened to the Justice Democrats’ “hostile takeover”?11:31 Is the US sliding into fascism?19:26 The tension between race and class on the left27:15 Donald Trump’s rising popularity among black men32:39 The military-industrial complex and climate change42:07 Sabby’s argument for worker co-ops51:20 Finding (somewhat) common ground on immigration54:18 Demilitarizing the police is one thing, defunding the police is another59:46 Sabby: “We should not be giving money to Ukraine”1:04:35 How Sabby deals with disrespectful guestsRecorded September 16, 2023Links & ReadingsSabby’s YouTube pageRevolutionary Blackout Network’s YouTube pageSabby’s interview with Cornel WestAOC’s endorsement of Joe Biden on Pod Save AmericaJimmy Dore’s interview with Cornel WestSabby’s episode on Jimmy Dore-Cornel West interviewGlenn and John McWhorter’s conversation with Mark GoldblattGlenn’s debate with Richard WolffBriahana Joy Gray debates Krystal Ball and Kyle Kulinski This is a public episode. If you’d like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit glennloury.substack.com/subscribe

Transcribed - Published: 29 September 2023

John McWhorter & Tyler Austin Harper – How the Race Game Is Played

0:00 Tyler’s concept of “racial gamification” 6:30 Affirmative action in spirit and practice 13:18 Why can’t we just determine admissions based on academic merit alone? 19:17 The fading popularity of “traditional” affirmative action 22:47 Re-weighting and funding the admissions process 32:28 How can we get white “allies” to act normal around black people? 38:23 Can we have interpersonal colorblindness without political colorblindness? 44:42 Tyler’s scholarly work about the end of humanity 48:10 Glenn prepares for his conversation with Sabrina SalvatiRecorded September 10, 2023Links and ReadingsTyler’s NYT piece, “I Teach at an Elite College. Here’s a Look Inside the Racial Gaming of Admissions”Tyler’s Atlantic piece, “I’m a Black Professor. You Don’t Need to Bring That Up.”Roland Fryer’s NYT piece, “How to Fix College Admissions Now”Glenn’s conversation with Jay Caspian KangJimmy Dore’s interview with Cornel WestJohn’s appearance on The View This is a public episode. If you’d like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit glennloury.substack.com/subscribe

Transcribed - Published: 22 September 2023

Shep Melnick – The Crucible of Desegregation

0:00 Biden’s new DEI initiatives7:59 The disparate uses of disparate impact13:59 Shep’s new book, The Crucible of Desegregation: The Uncertain Search for Educational Equality23:15 The problem with claims that education is resegregating29:56 Are we heading back to the bussing debates of the 1970s?35:52 Shep’s book, The Transformation of Title IX: Regulating Gender Equality in Education44:20 Glenn’s “uncle” objects to analogies between trans people and African Americans47:58 Shep: Banning Critical Race Theory is the wrong strategyRecorded September 8, 2023Links and ReadingsShep’s new book, The Crucible of Desegregation: The Uncertain Search for Educational EqualityHeather Mac Donald’s book, When Race Trumps Merit: How the Pursuit of Equity Sacrifices Excellence, Destroys Beauty, and Threatens LivesGary Orfield’s book, The Reconstruction of Southern Education: The Schools and the 1964 Civil Rights ActJames Fishkin’s book, Justice, Equal Opportunity, and the FamilyShep’s book, The Transformation of Title IX: Regulating Gender Equality in EducationJohn Skretny’s book, The Minority Rights RevolutionRobin DiAngelo’s book, White Fragility: Why It’s So Hard for White People to Talk about Racism This is a public episode. If you’d like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit glennloury.substack.com/subscribe

Transcribed - Published: 15 September 2023

John McWhorter – Whose Election Narrative?

0:00 Can a white man tell Harriet Tubman’s story?9:59 What the fall semester has in store for Glenn and John17:25 How John makes the sausage at the New York Times22:55 John: We now memorize rap lyrics instead of poetry36:18 Is wokeness on the wane?42:12 What John just doesn’t get about Carol Swain51:46 A Democrat by any other name56:50 John makes a wild prediction about TrumpRecorded August 31, 2023Links and ReadingsThe Philadelphia Harriet Tubman statueJohn’s NYT piece, “Two Languages Walk into a Bar”John’s NYT piece, “How Hip-Hop Became America’s Poetry”Oliver Anthony’s song, “Rich Men North of Richmond”Jason Aldean’s song, “Try That in a Small Town”Donald Trump’s mugshotSabrina Salvati’s YouTube channelCarol Swain’s recent TGS episodeCarol Swain’s book, Black Faces, Black Interests: The Representation of African Americans in CongressDinesh D’Souza’s film, 2000 MulesCarol Swain’s PragerU videos This is a public episode. If you’d like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit glennloury.substack.com/subscribe

Transcribed - Published: 8 September 2023

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Transcribed - Published: 6 September 2023

Carol Swain – The Adversity of Diversity

0:00 Why Carol joined Black Voices for Trump9:59 Why should black people support Trump?16:31 Carol: Democrats stole the 2020 election26:07 Does Trump face a credible assassination threat?30:35 The redefinition of white supremacy35:51 Deracializing the crime debate39:58 Carol’s new book, The Adversity of Diversity: How Real Training Can Promote Healing in a Post-Affirmative Action World50:55 Glenn: Affirmative action is one thing, DEI is another1:04:54 Clarence Thomas v. Ketanji Brown Jackson1:08:06 What affirmative action did rightRecorded August 26, 2023Links and ReadingsCarol and Mike Towle’s new book, The Adversity of Diversity: How Real Training Can Promote Healing in a Post-Affirmative Action WorldCarol’s Godfather III Twitter (now X) postReuters story on Harrison FloydJason Riley’s book, The Black BoomTucker Carlson’s debate night interview with Donald TrumpCarol’s book, The New White Nationalism in America: Its Challenge to IntegrationCarol and Christopher J. Schorr’s book, Black Eye for America: How Critical Race Theory Is Burning Down the House This is a public episode. If you’d like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit glennloury.substack.com/subscribe

Transcribed - Published: 1 September 2023

John McWhorter – Sixteen Years of "The Black Guys"

0:00 A sixteen-year-long conversation5:45 Race and socioeconomics on the cusp of the Obama Era21:19 The myth of black poverty and deindustrialization32:56 Glenn pulls rank37:59 Why Glenn changed his mind about the Manhattan Institute50:15 Is the think tank world any more “objective” than academia?Recorded August 19, 2023Links and ReadingsGlenn and John’s first conversation from November 7, 2007John’s book, Losing the Race: Self-Sabotage in Black AmericaJohn’s book, Winning the Race: Beyond the Crisis in Black AmericaGlenn’s book, The Anatomy of Racial InequalityMartin Peretz’s memoir, The Controversialist: Arguments with Everyone, Left, Right, and CenterJeffrey O.C. Ogbar’s book, Hip-Hop Revolution: The Culture and Politics of RapCharles Murray’s book, Losing Ground: American Social Policy, 1950-1980Charles Murray and Richard Herrnstein’s book, The Bell Curve: Intelligence and Class Structure in American Life This is a public episode. If you’d like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit glennloury.substack.com/subscribe

Transcribed - Published: 25 August 2023

Haim Shweky – An American-Israeli at the Ukrainian Front

0:00 Haim’s history with The Glenn Show7:54 How Haim ended up fighting in Ukraine17:42 The legionnaire’s lingua franca27:55 Haim’s riposte to Cornel West on Ukraine42:27 A pen in one hand and a gun in the other47:56 Haim: Ukraine’s sovereignty and national identity must be respected53:34 Is the two-state solution dead?Recorded July 23, 2023Links and ReadingsHaim’s writing for this newsletterHaim’s Substack, The GarlandGlenn’s recent conversation with Cornel WestHaim and Nikita Petrov’s exchange on the Ukraine WarNikita’s Substack, Psychopolitica This is a public episode. If you’d like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit glennloury.substack.com/subscribe

Transcribed - Published: 18 August 2023

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