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The Glenn Show

Greg Lukianoff – The Legal Battle to Defend Campus Speech

The Glenn Show

Glenn Loury

Politics, Society & Culture, News

4.82.3K Ratings

🗓️ 11 July 2025

⏱️ 58 minutes

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0:00 The return of the “speech is violence” argument

6:05 Who’s the arbiter of “misinformation” and “disinformation”?

8:06 The University of Virginia topped FIRE’s college free speech rankings

14:08 The Victorianism of the Woke

22:10 The comedian as gadfly

24:40 Do we need to “protect” Jewish students from pro-Palestine speech?

31:23 Harvard Derangement Syndrome

37:13 FIRE’s defense of Amy Wax

39:59 Using Title IX to restrict speech

46:24 Complicating the left-right speech distinction

49:34 FIRE enters the AI debates

Recorded June 2, 2025

Links and Readings

FIRE

Greg and Nancy Strossen’s forthcoming book, War on Words: 10 Arguments against Free Speech—and Why They Fail

Lisa Feldman Barrett’s 2017 NYT op-ed, “When Is Speech Violence?”

FIRE’s 2025 College Free Speech Rankings

FIRE’s Scholars Under Fire Database

Rajiv Sethi’s post, “Under Fire”

Glenn’s forthcoming book, Self-Censorship

Musa al-Gharbi’s book, We Have Never Been Woke: The Cultural Contradictions of a New Elite

Greg and Rikki Schlott’s book, Canceling the American Mind: How Cancel Culture Undermines Trust, Destroys Institutions, and Threatens Us

The IHRA definition of antisemitism

Steven Pinker’s NYT guest essay, “Harvard Derangement Syndrome”

Greg’s Atlantic essay, “Trump’s Attacks Threaten Much More Than Harvard”

Cosmos Institute



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0:00.0

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0:06.6

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0:23.5

Hello, everybody. This is Glenn Laurie, and you are listening to and or watching The Glenn Show.

0:29.9

I am with Greg Lukianov, who is the president and CEO of Fire, the Foundation for Individual Rights and Expression,

0:41.3

which advocates for freedom of inquiry and speech on American College campuses and elsewhere.

0:48.3

Welcome, Greg.

0:49.3

Thanks for having me, Glenn. It's good to see you.

0:51.3

You're welcome.

0:52.3

I hear you've got a new book coming out with Nadine Strausson.

0:55.5

You want to talk about that for a minute or two?

0:57.7

Absolutely.

0:58.4

Yeah, it's coming out on July 1st.

1:00.4

It's called The War on Words.

1:02.5

And it's an updating of a series I used to do for my blog,

1:07.8

The Eternally Radical Idea, for my blog, the eternally radical idea, where Nadine and I answer what I consider to be kind of

1:13.4

bad arguments against freedom of speech that won't die. So whether or not speech is violence,

1:19.2

for example, whether or not speech is a conservative cause, and then we do about 10 of them in the

1:26.2

course of it, just so people will have handy,

1:29.3

you know, good refutations of these arguments.

1:33.3

I call them bad arguments.

1:34.8

Nadine is always like, well, you know, like we should always take critics seriously,

1:38.3

so we don't call them bad arguments.

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