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The Glenn Show

John McWhorter & Jason Riley – The Affirmative Action Myth

The Glenn Show

Glenn Loury

Politics, Society & Culture, News

4.82.3K Ratings

🗓️ 16 May 2025

⏱️ 47 minutes

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Summary

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0:00 Intro

1:00 What is the “affirmative action myth”?

8:02 Black progress before and after affirmative action

11:41 Ground News ad

13:29 How far does Jason’s critique of affirmative action extend?

17:03 Contesting The Shape of the River

26:37 Respectability, responsibility, and upward mobility

32:40 Is Jason blaming the victims?

35:54 Jason: No one’s buying the reparations argument

43:26 How do figures like Ibram X. Kendi and Nikole Hannah-Jones end up at the center of progressive discourse?

Recorded May 7, 2025

Links and Readings

Jason’s new book, The Affirmative Action Myth: Why Blacks Don’t Need Racial Preferences to Succeed

Jason’s book, Please Stop Helping Us: How Liberals Make It Harder for Blacks to Succeed

Jason’s book, False Black Power

Jason’s book, Maverick: A Biography of Thomas Sowell

Derek Bok and William G. Bowen’s book, The Shape of the River: Long Term Consequences of Considering Race in College and University Admissions

Melissa Kearney’s book, The Two-Parent Privilege: How Americans Stopped Getting Married and Started Falling Behind

An Amos & Andy YouTube playlist

Julia pilot episode

Ta-Nehisi Coates’s Atlantic essay, “The Case for Reparations”

Ibram X. Kendi’s book, How to Be an Antiracist

The NYT’s 1619 Project

The Woodson Center’s 1776 Unites Project



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0:00.0

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0:06.7

As a subscriber, you will receive new episodes on Mondays instead of Fridays and get access to ticket pre-sales to live events, monthly Q&As with Glenn Laurie and John McWhorter,, exclusive content and other benefits. Thank you.

0:23.3

Hello, everybody. This is Glenn Laurie, and you are listening to and or watching the Glenn Show.

0:28.8

I teach at Brown University, and I am with my conversation partner, John McWhorter, every other week here at the Glenn Show.

0:35.9

John's a Columbia University professor, and he writes for the New York Times.

0:39.8

Our guest this week is Jason Riley.

0:41.7

Hello, Jason.

0:42.9

How you doing, Glenn?

0:44.3

John.

0:45.6

Hey.

0:46.6

Doing well, doing well.

0:48.1

Jason's an old friend.

0:49.3

Jason is on the editorial board and writes editorials for the Wall Street Journal.

0:53.1

He's also senior fellow at the Manhattan Institute.

0:57.6

And happily, we're here to talk about Jason's new book,

1:01.6

The Affirmative Action Myth.

1:04.1

Jason's a prolific author.

1:06.7

He's written books like False Black Power.

1:09.6

Please stop helping us. He's written a biography of

1:13.7

Thomas Soul called Maverick, Thomas Sol, the African American conservative economists of great

1:19.1

distinction. And other interventions Jason has made in the public discussion about policy issues.

1:26.4

And the book at hand for today is the affirmative action myth.

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