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The Glenn Show

John McWhorter, Cornel West & Robert George – Truth, Faith, and Reason in an Age of Division

The Glenn Show

Glenn Loury

Politics, Society & Culture, News

4.82.3K Ratings

🗓️ 18 April 2025

⏱️ 78 minutes

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0:00 Intro

1:12 Attacks on the university from within and without

9:50 Ground News ad

11:43 Reshaping institutions by force and by argument

20:56 Critiquing the Gaza War without antisemitism

22:30 Reforming para-academic institutions

32:07 Is there a potential conflict between commitments to truth and commitments to diversity of thought?

39:19 Caught between “casual relativism” and “fierce absolutism”

52:18 Cornel: There is no “mic drop” argument on Gaza or anything else

55:19 The straight-jacket of emotional over-investment

1:00:36 The role of faith in the search for truth

1:10:19 Finding faith beyond reason in Stephen Sondheim

Recorded April 12, 2025

Links and Readings

Robbie and Cornel’s new book, Truth Matters: A Dialogue on Fruitful Disagreement in an Age of Division

Plato’s Republic

Thomas Kuhn’s book, The Structure of Scientific Revolutions

Eugene Genovese’s book, Roll, Jordan, Roll: The World the Slaves Made

Antonio Gramsci’s book, The Prison Notebooks

William Blake’s poem, “London”

Pope John Paul II’s encyclical, Fides et Ratio

Genesis 22, King James Version

Shakespeare’s Hamlet

Glenn’s memoir, Late Admissions: Confessions of a Black Conservative

Mandy Patinkin sings “Finishing the Hat” from Stephen Sondheim’s Sunday in the Park with George



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0:06.7

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0:23.4

Hello, everybody. Thanks for tuning in to the Glenn Show. This is Glenn Laudy. I'm with my

0:27.5

conversation partner and co-host John McWhorter. I teach at Brown University. John teaches at Columbia

0:33.4

University and he writes for the New York Times. We're joined this week by Robert George, who is McCormick Professor of Jurisprudence

0:43.6

at Princeton University, where he directs the James Madison Program for the Study

0:48.7

of American Ideals and Institutions, and Cornell West, who is Dietrich Bonhofer professor of philosophy and

0:58.6

Christian practice at the Union Theological Seminary and is a former presidential candidate in

1:08.2

the last cycle. Some of you will know.

1:16.4

Robbie and Cornell are co-authors of a small book,

1:20.2

which is, in effect, transcript of a series of conversations that they undertook in New York City over the years 2022 and 2023 called Truth Matters,

1:31.9

a dialogue on fruitful disagreement in an age of division.

1:37.9

Provocative and wide-ranging conversations,

1:40.1

the copy here I'm looking at tells us recorded in New York City in three sessions during the fall

1:46.6

of 2023 in the spring of 2024, where imprompting and directing that the discussion emphasis was

1:53.7

placed on relating current issues to deeper questions of knowledge, faith, and the search for

1:58.9

truth and common ground. It goes on. So welcome, Robbie, welcome

2:06.0

Cornell. And hey there, John. Hey, Glenn. Hey, folks. We are living in interesting times. The universities

2:14.3

are under attack, are they not? The citadels of the production of knowledge

2:19.4

and the preservation of our civilization seem to be in the crosshairs, politically speaking.

2:26.3

And if truth ever mattered, it certainly matters now. And the sources of our production,

2:33.0

of our insights into the truth seem to be under attack. I wonder what

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