The Unforgotten

In this bonus episode, Wes introduces Carol to our new co-hosts Adam Rittenberg and Kyle Bonagura, a pair of ESPN staff writers who have spent years covering the disappearance of Dolores Wulff. Season 3 of The Unforgotten: Finding Dolores Wulff is coming August 4. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Transcribed - Published: 21 July 2025

A mother vanishes. A boy grows up with questions. Forty years later, the answers begin with a single phone call: “We found your mom.” Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Transcribed - Published: 14 July 2025

Honoring an investigator who never let go of Shelley Watkins' case. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Transcribed - Published: 7 July 2025

Carol reveals two witness accounts that have never been disclosed to the public before now — including a deathbed confession that may explain how Shelley Watkins' death was covered up. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Transcribed - Published: 30 June 2025

After years of pushing lawmakers to close the loopholes that Billy Chemirmir used to murder dozens of North Texas seniors, the Texas Legislature takes a final vote on regulations for senior living communities. But are there still cracks in the senior care system? Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Transcribed - Published: 9 June 2025

The story of a fisherman who discovered Shelley Watkins' body in the Trinity River. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Transcribed - Published: 12 May 2025

A decade after Billy Chemirmir’s killing spree allegedly began, state legislators in Texas are once again considering measures that would close some of the loopholes that allowed him to kill. That, plus more updates to the case since season two ended in December. Connect with the group Secure Our Seniors' Safety at secureourseniorssafety.org, and look up the state lawmakers who represent you at wrm.capitol.texas.gov. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Transcribed - Published: 15 April 2025

A witness says she saw Shelley Watkins and her husband Jerry Mack screaming and shoving each other at the lake on the day Shelley was murdered. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Transcribed - Published: 7 April 2025

E. Ray Andrews has died. In this bonus episode, Carol and Wes explain why E. Ray's passing will unlock a central mystery of the bribery scheme that helped Jerry Mack Watkins go free after the murder of his wife Shelley. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Transcribed - Published: 10 March 2025

We talk about Jerry Mack's son from a previous relationship, Kay's first husband Dennis, and whether the district attorney will retry Shelley's case in this bonus Q&A episode. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Transcribed - Published: 20 January 2025

DNA from an unknown male was on the materials when Shelley Watkins' body was recovered from the Trinity River. We finally found out what the Sheriff's Office has done with that DNA. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Transcribed - Published: 13 January 2025

How many people did Billy Chemirmir actually kill? Will we ever know? Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Transcribed - Published: 9 December 2024

After the shocking mistrial of November 2021, families go back to the courthouse in Dallas. Will justice be served this time? Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Transcribed - Published: 2 December 2024

Why did so many well-trained investigators miss the killing spree of Billy Chemirmir? And what does that mean for other unsolved murders? Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Transcribed - Published: 25 November 2024

Was Billy Chemirmir a brilliant criminal mastermind? Or just lucky enough to slip through the cracks of a broken patchwork system?  More importantly, which reality is more terrifying? Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Transcribed - Published: 18 November 2024

Should Billy Chemirmir be put to death for killing dozens of older adults in and around Dallas? That's what prosecutors had to decide in early 2019. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Transcribed - Published: 11 November 2024

The morning after Mary Bartel was attacked, police identify a suspect in her attempted murder. His arrest leads them to one last body. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Transcribed - Published: 4 November 2024

Despite suspicions from several grieving daughters, nobody realizes there's a murderer roaming the halls of another luxury senior community. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Transcribed - Published: 28 October 2024

Years before serial killer Billy Chemirmir was arrested, a lone security guard began putting the puzzle pieces together. But he was ignored. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Transcribed - Published: 21 October 2024

When two women are left for dead in a Dallas apartment building, one of the women survives, leading police on the unexpected trail of the city's worst serial killer. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Transcribed - Published: 14 October 2024

Wes Ferguson tells us about a new podcast you won't want to miss from our friends at Texas Monthly called "The Problem with Erik." Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Transcribed - Published: 4 October 2024

The Unforgotten, Season 2: Unnatural Causes investigates the worst serial killer in Dallas history. In 2016, healthy, active women began to drop dead in Dallas's most exclusive senior living communities and their own homes. Because of their age and where they lived, officials assumed that heart attacks, strokes and other natural causes were to blame. It wasn't until years later, after a woman survived and told police she'd been attacked by a man who tried to smother her with a pillow, that police realized what was actually happening. One of Texas's most prolific serial killers had gone completely undetected. Why were officials so quick to brush aside the deaths as natural? How did the killer use the cracks of a broken system to target some of society's most vulnerable people? And how can we be sure it doesn't happen again? Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Transcribed - Published: 30 September 2024

Sharing a special preview episode from Final Days on Earth with Claire St. Amant. Greg Williams was a successful tech entrepreneur living a quiet life with his family in a Fort Worth suburb. Until one night in 2011, when his whole world came crashing down. Greg had been shot in cold blood, as he lay sleeping in bed. His wife and business partner, Michele, called 911, alleging an intruder had fired the fatal shot. What really happened to Greg Williams, and who is responsible for his death? Join award-winning journalist Claire St. Amant as she re-examines the complicated murder investigation, where Greg's case is only the beginning. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Transcribed - Published: 12 September 2024

Our investigation brings us to Jerry Mack's front door. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Transcribed - Published: 2 September 2024

A sports talk show changes the conversation about Jake Feldt, the estranged son-in-law of murder suspect Jerry Mack Watkins Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Transcribed - Published: 29 August 2024

Jerry Mack's son-in-law breaks his silence in a tell-all interview about Shelley Watkins' murder and the inner workings of the Watkins family. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Transcribed - Published: 26 August 2024

An interview with the county sheriff reveals a tantalizing lead in the quest to get justice for Shelley Watkins. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Transcribed - Published: 19 August 2024

Shelley's sister Sandy takes matters into her own hands following the collapse of the murder case against her former brother-in-law, Jerry Mack. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Transcribed - Published: 9 August 2024

A stunning twist upends the case against Jerry Mack Watkins in the brutal murder of his wife, Shelley. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Transcribed - Published: 5 August 2024

Prosecutor E. Ray Andrews is loving all the publicity from Jerry Mack Watkins’ murder case — but not as much as he loves goose liver sandwiches and Wild Turkey whiskey. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Transcribed - Published: 29 July 2024

Months after Shelley’s murder, investigators finally search her house and discover potent clues on the garage floor. A key document goes missing. A grand jury must decide whether to indict Jerry Mack Watkins for his wife's death. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Transcribed - Published: 22 July 2024

When Shelley Watkins goes missing, her husband Jerry Mack's behavior draws the suspicion of law enforcement. An autopsy reveals how Shelley was killed. https://link.chtbl.com/unforgottendevil Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Transcribed - Published: 15 July 2024

Shelley Watkins seemed to have the perfect life. An argument with her husband took a mysterious turn on the night of Labor Day in 1993. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Transcribed - Published: 8 July 2024

Who killed Shelley Watkins? Who wrapped her up and threw her in the Trinity River? Thirty years after Shelley's brutal murder in Corsicana, Texas, it's finally time to get some answers. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Transcribed - Published: 1 July 2024

In 1993, fishermen discovered the body of Shelley Watkins floating in the Trinity River in Texas. The young, wealthy mom had been wrapped in black plastic and weighed down by concrete blocks. Investigators say they know exactly who killed Shelley and threw her in the river. They say they have strong evidence to back up their claims. If so, why has no one ever been held accountable for Shelley's murder? Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Transcribed - Published: 16 June 2024