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You know, when you started calling, I was like, what?

I had thought about this case.

Honestly, I haven't thought about this case. Honestly, I haven't

thought about this case since then, probably. I had thought he had already been put to death.

I just assumed. Today we're talking about the state of Texas versus Charles Don Flores,

the trial to determine whether he was guilty of murdering Betty Black.

We know what happened from thousands of pages of trial transcripts, but we also talked with

the attorneys, with Charles Flores, and with one of the jurors who sat in the room.

You just heard from him.

His name is Brian, juror number seven.

So when you called me, I was like, what's going on?

We'll get to Brian soon, but first, let's go back to January 1999, when the prosecution and

the defense are preparing for the trial.

Jackie Roberts, her boyfriend Rick Childs, and Charles have all been implicated to some

extent in the murder

of Jackie's ex-mother-in-law, Betty Black.

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