Hey everyone, it's Adam Rittenberg and Kyle Bonagura, host of the Unforgotten Season 3, Finding Dolores Wolf,

and we're back here to discuss our latest episode, which dropped on Monday, episode 4, Uncle Slick.

We just wanted to thank everybody for your continued support of the podcast and the series,

and you'll keep subscribing, keep sharing.

You'll keep, if you want to interact with us, we're obviously open to doing that on

social media and elsewhere.

But, you know, this is an episode, Kyle, that I know both of us had really been looking

forward to, you know, truly one of the inspirations for us to pursue a narrative podcast project

coming off of our story about Dolores' case for ESPN,

in that, you know, hey, we talked to a lot of people for this project, but, you know, by far the

most captivating, the most layered, most interesting was Matthew Rocha, senior, or Slick, as he's known in the podcast.

And, you know, we received a lot of feedback about Slick, even from our digital piece that we did back in 2021.

And we wanted having talked to Slick for a while back in 2020, late 2020, we really felt that if we did this project, his life was

worth a full episode, even though this is still about Dolores' case, his sister, it's still,

he's not the person who went missing, nor is he the suspect. So it's a little bit unusual to have a 50-minute episode

about somebody who isn't one of those people,

but Slick is not your normal person.

And as we found out, you know, spending time with him,

learning about him from his sons and his nephews and others, but really being in his presence,

it was, again, something like neither of us have ever experienced in our careers.

Yeah, I mean, both of us have been journalists for, you know, over 20 years now.

And, you know, I've thought a lot about this.

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