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All Out in the Open

All Out in the Open

All Out in the Open, Questions from the Closet

Latter-day Saint, Christ, Society & Culture, Mormon, Gay, Religion & Spirituality, Faith, Lgbtq, Transgender, Church Of Jesus Christ, Christianity, Lgbt, Lds

51.2K Ratings

Overview

All Out in the Open is a resource for LGBTQ Latter-day Saints and those who love them. Our goal is to help listeners connect with themselves, with their families, with their community, and with God. Hosts Charlie Bird and Ben Schilaty help listeners open up to themselves and those around them. Clare Dalton digs into the scriptures and teaches how they can be a catalyst for personal revelation. Iese Wilson takes listeners on a tour of LGBTQ Latter-day Saints all over the Church and introduces us to modern day pioneers. Michael Soto and Liz Macdonald highlight the amazing work of those who are building and strengthening their communities. Learn more at www.alloutintheopen.org.

190 Episodes

From Teen Convert to Branch President in Thailand

In this week’s OUT and About episode, Iese Wilson interviews Max Maneekam, a gay Latter-day Saint from Thailand now living in South Carolina with his husband. Max shares his journey of faith, from discovering the Church at age 12 to serving a mission in Ogden, Utah, to becoming the branch president of his Thai congregation at age 21 to attending BYU-Hawaii. As he has navigated religion and identity, he has been blessed to find unwavering support from his family, and he wants to be a resource...

Transcribed - Published: 11 February 2025

Seeing LGBTQ+ Individuals Through a Christlike Lens

In this ALL Together episode, Liz Macdonald and Michael Soto sit down with Pastor Stan Mitchell, a Christian pastor with a powerful journey of faith and inclusion. Growing up in a fear-based, exclusivist Christian tradition, he gradually expanded his understanding of God’s love and eventually played a role in his Nashville church’s decision to fully embrace LGBTQ+ members in 2015. Now, he travels extensively, helping Christian families and churches navigate faith and LGBTQ+ acceptance. Pasto...

Transcribed - Published: 4 February 2025

Grieving the Life You Thought You Would Have

This month on OPEN Up, Ben Schilaty and Charlie Bird sit down with Lisa Valentine Clark. Lisa is a mother of five and host of the podcasts “The Lisa Show” and “Council of Moms.”Lisa shares her experience with grief following the death of her husband. She discusses navigating life when it doesn’t go as planned, including finding connection and living in the present.

Transcribed - Published: 28 January 2025

Giving Ourself and Others Space to Grow

This week on IN the Scriptures, Clare Dalton talks with Dan and Terri Pratt, parents of six neurodivergent children, some of whom are LGBTQ+. They share their journey of supporting their kids, overcoming internalized beliefs, and building a more inclusive faith.Drawing on Joseph Smith’s First Vision, they discuss the importance of family support and unconditional love for youth navigating their identities. Their message: God loves us as we are, and curiosity and compassion can help us grow to...

Transcribed - Published: 21 January 2025

Converting in Hong Kong... To Become Straight?

From Hong Kong to Brigham Young University-Hawaii, Uri shares his journey as a gay member of the Church—finding God’s love, self-acceptance, and community along the way. Tune in to this heartfelt OUT and About episode with host Iese Wilson as Uri reflects on his path, the challenges he’s faced, and his message of hope for LGBTQ+ individuals: You’re perfect, you’re brave, and you’re not alone.

Transcribed - Published: 14 January 2025

Creating social safety for lgbtq+ loved-ones

Kick off the new year with an inspiring ALL Together episode! Liz Macdonald and Michael Soto interview Dr. Lisa Diamond, professor of psychology and gender studies at the University of Utah, and her research assistants Julia Decker and Jay Christensen. The trio discusses their important research on social safety for LGBTQ+ members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints and provides practical advice on creating safety and connection.

Transcribed - Published: 7 January 2025

Exploring Body Image and Eating Through an LGBTQ+ Lens (with Sydney Williams, LCSW)

In the new OPEN Up episode, Charlie Bird and Ben Schilaty sit down with Sydney Williams, LCSW, a therapist and eating disorder specialist, to explore the complex relationship between body image and the LGBTQ+ community.They share insights into the cultural and historical factors shaping body ideals and offer practical advice on loving and trusting your body as a gift from God.

Transcribed - Published: 2 January 2025

Spanish Episode: Compartiendo Nuestras Experiencias como Miembros Gays en la Iglesia

Don’t miss the first episode of All Out in the Open in Spanish!In this special episode of THE Exclusive, Charlie Bird and Ben Schilaty share their experiences as gay members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints and answer frequently asked questions. We hope this episode can be a resource to support Hispanic individuals and families on their journeys of faith, love and understanding.

Transcribed - Published: 24 December 2024

Asking Questions is the Answer: JS-H and D&C 1-2 (with Austin Peterson)

This week Clare Dalton is joined by Austin Peterson, her collaborator on the Gatherings curriculum—Come Follow Me study groups designed for LGBTQ+ Church members and allies. Together, they dive into the early sections of the Doctrine and Covenants, exploring how asking questions can deepen our connection to God, ourselves, and others.

Transcribed - Published: 17 December 2024

Pioneering A Path in Mexico

In this episode of OUT and About, Iese Wilson sits down with André Pérez to discuss his journey as an LGBTQ+ member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints growing up in Mexico City. André saw a need for connection among Spanish-speaking LGBTQ+ members and allies, and created a virtual community that continues to thrive with monthly meetings attended by over 100 people.André shares his journey of coming out, navigating mental health struggles, and staying in the Church while advoca...

Transcribed - Published: 10 December 2024

A Reverend's Calling to Strengthen LGBTQ+ Belonging (with Dr. Rev. Marian Edmonds-Allen)

For this week’s ALL Together episode, Liz Macdonald and Michael Soto sit down with Rev. Dr. Marian Edmonds-Allen, an ordained pastor and executive director of Parity, a nonprofit in New York City addressing the intersection of LGBTQ+ and faith communities. From starting her ministry as a single mom of four to advocating for homeless LGBTQ+ youth, Marian shares her inspiring journey of combining faith and action to create meaningful change.

Transcribed - Published: 3 December 2024

Owning Your Choices When Others Disagree (with Ben & Charlie)

OPEN Up: Ben Schilaty and Charlie Bird dive into the challenges of making authentic, personal decisions—especially when those choices are misunderstood or rejected by others. They discuss the pain of breaking the status quo and share personal stories about navigating loneliness, rejection, and the weight of following personal revelation as LGBTQ+ members of the Church. Together, they explore the importance of setting boundaries, processing past trauma, and finding healing through community an...

Transcribed - Published: 26 November 2024

Seeing the Love of God In Others (with Tom Christofferson)

IN the Scriptures: In this episode, Clare Dalton chats with Tom Christofferson about finding faith, hope, and love through the stories in Ether 12 and Moroni 7 from the Book of Mormon. They dive into the ups and downs of faith, what it means to trust God, and how to see yourself the way Christ does. Along the way, Clare and Tom share personal stories about navigating life’s challenges, embracing who they are, and finding connection through charity and understanding.

Transcribed - Published: 19 November 2024

Seeing the Love of God In Others

IN the Scriptures: In this episode, Clare Dalton chats with Tom Christofferson about finding faith, hope, and love through the stories in Ether 12 and Moroni 7 from the Book of Mormon. They dive into the ups and downs of faith, what it means to trust God, and how to see yourself the way Christ does. Along the way, Clare and Tom share personal stories about navigating life’s challenges, embracing who they are, and finding connection through charity and understanding.

Transcribed - Published: 19 November 2024

Converting to the Church as a Gay Youth in the Philippines (with Cris Sembrano)

In this episode, Iese Wilson interviews Cris Sembrano, a gay Latter-day Saint and convert from the Philippines. Chris shares his journey of balancing faith and identity, from navigating cultural challenges in his hometown to finding community and love at BYU-Provo. His story highlights resilience and the strength of personal faith in finding belonging.

Transcribed - Published: 12 November 2024

Converting to the Church as a Gay Youth in the Philippines

In this episode, Iese Wilson interviews Cris Sembrano, a gay Latter-day Saint and convert from the Philippines. Chris shares his journey of balancing faith and identity, from navigating cultural challenges in his hometown to finding community and love at BYU-Provo. His story highlights resilience and the strength of personal faith in finding belonging.

Transcribed - Published: 12 November 2024

Being a Peacemaker in a Divided World (with Julie Spilsbury)

ALL TOGETHER: In this special Election Day episode, hosts Liz and Michael welcome Mesa Councilmember Julie Spilsbury for an inspiring conversation about peacemaking in a divided world. Julie shares insights from her experience as a public servant dedicated to fostering unity through initiatives like the #MesaKindness campaign. From her early days in Mesa Public Schools to leading community partnerships, Julie’s journey reflects her deep commitment to bridging divides and building community. J...

Transcribed - Published: 5 November 2024

Sticking with a Tough Conversation (Part 2)

OPEN UP: In this episode, Charlie and Ben continue their important conversation, choosing to stay in the discomfort to explore their differing experiences. As they navigate the tension, Ben is able to identify the root of his pain and feelings of rejection, leading to several enlightening “ah-ha” moments. Through this process, they find resolution and understanding. The episode ends with a segment filmed two weeks later, where they each reflect on the discussion and share takeaways for l...

Transcribed - Published: 29 October 2024

Unpacking our Different Reactions to General Conference

THE Exclusive: In this episode, Charlie and Ben reflect on their contrasting experiences at the most recent General Conference. Charlie had a positive and hopeful experience, while Ben felt deeply hurt and ostracized by certain messages. As they discuss the positives and negatives, the conversation shifts away from the conference itself and becomes more focused on personal pain and frustration. Ben shares his struggles with feelings of exclusion, while Charlie tries to validate his pain but s...

Transcribed - Published: 22 October 2024

Finding Light in Troubling Times (with Dr. Kristine Coons)

IN the Scriptures: This week Clare Dalton is joined by Dr. Kristine Coons to explore the cautionary tales found the books of Mormon and Ether. They delve into the profound lessons learned from the destruction of two civilizations, reflecting on how these narratives serve as powerful reminders of the consequences of turning away from God. Throughout their discussion, Clare and Dr. Coons emphasize the unwavering truth that God is always willing to partner with us, providing light even in our da...

Transcribed - Published: 15 October 2024

Navigating Identity and Faith in New Zealand (with Shaqaila Uelese)

OUT and About: Iese Wilson takes us to New Zealand where Shaquaila Uelese opens up about growing up, discovering her identity, and embracing the Māori term Takatapui. While her family initially struggled with her coming out, their love helped her reconnect with God and heal her testimony. Shaq also shares the inspiration behind her nonprofit, Nevertheless, which helps people heal from shame, and offers powerful advice to anyone who feels different.

Transcribed - Published: 8 October 2024

Passing LGBTQ+ Nondiscrimination in a Conservative Community (with Mayor Giles)

ALL Together with Mayor John GilesIn this compelling “ALL Together” episode, hosts Liz Macdonald and Michael Soto sit down with Mayor John Giles of Mesa, Arizona, to discuss the groundbreaking journey of passing an LGBTQ+ nondiscrimination ordinance in the city. Mayor Giles shares the intricate process of engaging with community members and church leaders, highlighting the challenges they faced in a polarized environment.Listeners will gain insights into the collaborative efforts that were cr...

Transcribed - Published: 1 October 2024

Podcast Announcement - All Out In The Open

In this live event from the gather conference, Charlie and Ben discuss the future of the podcast and where things are headed

Transcribed - Published: 24 September 2024

Bonus: How Has Dating Ben?

In this episode Ben and Charlie discuss future plans for the podcast, the gather conference, and get an update on how dating has gone for Ben

Transcribed - Published: 27 June 2024

Season 6 Wrapped

Season 6 has come to a close! Ben and Charlie are joined by Sound Guy Mike to talk about the highlights from the season, including another AI written segment! Things are getting shaken up for Season 7 - keep an eye on our instagram for more.

Transcribed - Published: 19 March 2024

How Do I Work Through Past Statements From Church Leaders?

Ben and Charlie are joined by historian Barbara Jones Brown to discuss how they work through difficult things that past church leaders have said.

Transcribed - Published: 12 March 2024

What If I Feel Stuck?

Ben and Charlie are joined again by Kade Cope to discuss how they deal with moving forward when they have felt stuck.

Transcribed - Published: 5 March 2024

How Do I Balance the 2 Great Commandments

Ben and Charlie are joined by Kade Cope to discuss how we can balance loving God and loving our neighbors.

Transcribed - Published: 27 February 2024

How Do I See Myself In the Scriptures?

In this episode Charlie and Ben share some of their recent insights while reading through the Book of Mormon. They share things they learned and how they have related it to their lives

Transcribed - Published: 14 February 2024

How Can I Share My Story?

In this episode Ben and Charlie share some guidelines that have helped them when sharing their story with others.

Transcribed - Published: 6 February 2024

How Can I Be Supportive as a Leader?

Ben and Charlie are joined by Rick Sorensen to discuss his experiences as a church leader and how you can support LGBTQ members.

Transcribed - Published: 30 January 2024

What's it Like When a Kid Comes Out?

In this episode Ben and Charlie are joined by Luke and Tiffany Sorensen to discuss their experiences as a son and mother when coming out.

Transcribed - Published: 23 January 2024

What Are Gatherings?

Ben and Charlie are joined by Clare Dalton to discuss the importance of gathering together, and how you can start your own gathering.

Transcribed - Published: 19 December 2023

What is Consent, and How can it Help Protect Against S.A.?

In this episode Ben and Charlie are joined by Abigail Morrison to discuss what consent looks like and some helpful tips that can help to keep you safe.

Transcribed - Published: 12 December 2023

What If a Loved One Insists I Leave the Church?

Ben and Charlie are joined by Troy Williams of Equality Utah to discuss how to handle relationship dynamics when a love one decides to leave the church.

Transcribed - Published: 5 December 2023

How Come All the Allies are Middle Aged Moms?

In this episode, Ben and Charlie are joined by Cynthia Winward to talk about middle aged moms and why they make such great LGTBQ allies.

Transcribed - Published: 28 November 2023

Bonus: Hot Takes on Thanksgiving

In this bonus episode Ben, Charlie, and Sound Guy Mike talk about their hot takes on Thanksgiving.

Transcribed - Published: 21 November 2023

What are you Scared to Ask a Transgender Person?

In this Episode Ben and Charlie are joined by Michael Soto to talk about some of the questions often asked about what it's like to be transgender. Content Advisory: This episode contains medical terms referring to genitalia and gender reassignment surgeries

Transcribed - Published: 14 November 2023

What If Staying Single Doesn't Feel Right Anymore?

In this episode, Ben and Charlie sit down to discuss life changes for Ben.

Transcribed - Published: 7 November 2023

How Do I Foster a More Secure Relationship With God?

Ben and Charlie are joined by Tami Combs to discuss attachment theory, and how that can apply to your relationship with God.

Transcribed - Published: 31 October 2023

What If I Feel Like a Failure?

In this episode Charlie and Ben are joined by Joey Shephard (they/them) to discuss where feelings of failure can come from and how to deal with them.

Transcribed - Published: 24 October 2023

How Do I Explain the Church's Stance on Homosexuality?

In this episode Ben and Charlie are joined by Kimberly Teitter to discuss how they explain the church's stance on homosexuality with others.

Transcribed - Published: 17 October 2023

Do You Ever Feel Conflicted Paying Tithing?

In this episode, Charlie and Ben discuss how paying tithing can be a conflicting experience for LGBTQ individuals.

Transcribed - Published: 10 October 2023

What do I do if listening to Conference hurts?

In this episode Charlie and Ben discuss their thoughts and feelings on general conference.

Transcribed - Published: 3 October 2023

Season 6 Opener - Live Event

Join us as we kick of Season 6 - with a live event from the gather conference! As always Ben and Charlie kick off the next season with a Q&A session.

Transcribed - Published: 19 September 2023

Bonus: Season 6 Is Coming!

Come join us for the live Sseason 6 Premier on September 15th! It will be at the Utah Valley Convention Center at 7PM.

Transcribed - Published: 29 August 2023

Classic Episode: Do you think the Church will change?

Ben and Charlie discuss whether or not they expect changes in Church doctrine and policy regarding same-sex couples.

Transcribed - Published: 15 August 2023

Classic Episode: What are the Pros and Cons of Coming Out?

Ben and Charlie are joined by Stacey Harkey for a discussion of the pros and cons of coming out.

Transcribed - Published: 1 August 2023

Classic Episode: What are the Stages of Coming Out?

Ben teaches Cass's 6 Stages of Coming Out. Scott Christofferson joins Ben and Charlie to talk about their experiences in each stage, as well as give advice for how friends and family can support LGBTQ+ loved ones throughout the process.

Transcribed - Published: 25 July 2023

Classic Episode: Am I Being Deceived?

This is one you don't want to miss! Ben and Charlie are joined by David Butler for a conversation on how to recognize which thoughts come from the Spirit.

Transcribed - Published: 11 July 2023

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