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All Out in the Open

God's Promise to His LGBTQ+ Children (with Charlie & Ben)

All Out in the Open

All Out in the Open, Questions from the Closet

Latter-day Saint, Christ, Society & Culture, Mormon, Gay, Religion & Spirituality, Faith, Lgbtq, Transgender, Church Of Jesus Christ, Christianity, Lgbt, Lds

51.2K Ratings

🗓️ 27 May 2025

⏱️ 47 minutes

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Summary

In this week’s OPEN Up episode, Ben and Charlie discuss the concept of deliverance, drawing parallels between the ancient Israelites and the LGBTQ+ community. They explore how the Spirit can push us to act, even when the path is difficult, scary or uncertain. They also acknowledge the trailblazers who helped pave the way for our deliverance and how knowing that others will follow in our footsteps influences our choices.

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0:00.0

So, Ben, before we start today, I was curious if you'd be willing to give kind of a little update from our last episode that we recorded because that made quite a splash.

0:18.0

And I know it was really close to the actual moment when we recorded.

0:21.7

So I'm just kind of curious how it's been in hindsight.

0:24.9

Yeah, thank you.

0:25.9

And when the episode came out, one of the-

0:27.3

I feel nervous for you.

0:28.9

Woo!

0:29.9

Well, one of the weird things about recording that episode was we recorded it and even when

0:34.5

we recorded it, I wasn't sure we were going to release it. I just wanted to like see how I felt about it, but I was like, well, at least we'll have this like

0:39.7

this in-moment conversation. And then a month later, it came out and so much had happened

0:44.1

in the next month. And so people were like in that moment with me, but I was past that moment.

0:51.0

And so I'll share some things that have happened since then. So I have, like, I got my

0:55.8

temple recommend back. I've been back a number of times, like four times, I think, since then.

1:00.3

To the temple. Uh-huh. Yeah. And the first time I went, I just went on my own. I was like,

1:05.1

did you go back to the Payson Temple to kind of like full circle? I have not been back to the temple. It's just so inconvenient so far.

1:12.7

Tell that to the people who live hours away. They just heard it. Complaint in the comments,

1:18.3

everyone. I'm six hours away. Anyway, sent to the pros that he's at a temple, which is the temple I live

1:24.3

closest to. And it was like a beautiful spring day like there

1:28.0

were flowers and as I was walking the temple I just like felt this like huge wave of emotion and then

1:33.1

when I like I scanned my recommend and then went in uh like walked down the long hallway and I just like

1:39.1

started like getting really emotional and I would say I was experiencing like three big emotions. One was like

1:45.6

relief that I could be there. Um, like frustration and anger that I hadn't been able to be there and

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