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WHEN THE CHINA MIRACLE CRASHED: 4/8: Chaos Under Heaven: Trump, Xi, and the Battle for the Twenty-First Century by Josh Rogin (Author)

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🗓️ 7 August 2023

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WHEN THE CHINA MIRACLE CRASHED: 4/8: Chaos Under Heaven: Trump, Xi, and the Battle for the Twenty-First Century by Josh Rogin (Author)


https://www.amazon.com/Chaos-Under-Heaven-Twenty-First-Century/dp/0358393248

By the time the COVID-19 pandemic erupted in Wuhan, Trump’s love-hate relationship with Xi had sparked a trade war, while Xi’s aggression had pushed the world to the brink of a new Cold War. But their quarrel had also forced a long-overdue reckoning within the United States over China’s audacious foreign-influence operations, horrific human rights abuses, and creeping digital despotism. Ironically, this awakening was one of the biggest foreign-policy victories of Trump’s fractious term in office.

​Filled with shocking revelations drawn from Josh Rogin’s unparalleled access to top U.S. officials from the White House and deep within the country’s foreign policy machine, Chaos Under Heaven reveals an administration at war with itself during perhaps our most urgent hour.

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I'm John Batser. This is the new John Batser show Josh Rogan, the Washington Post

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columnist, his new book chaos under heaven. Trump she and the battle for the 21st century.

0:38.8

The story of the Trump administration's evolving policy towards China.

0:44.3

Always double track, triple track, doubling back, never straight forward. But an event,

0:50.6

February of 2018, March of 2018, Robert Lighthouser, the trade representative. Josh,

0:56.9

what was the Lighthouser report? What is a 301 investigation?

1:01.1

Well, in early 2018, the Wall Street guys had lost their chance to make a quick deal.

1:08.0

And Trump had turned to his national security people to say,

1:11.2

we need to raise the pressure on Beijing and we need to come up with some tariffs.

1:16.3

And the mechanics of that were handed over to the US trade representative,

1:19.9

Robert Lighthouser, the extensive experience in this area. And what he did was he compiled the

1:24.7

most devastating report, government report to date about China's illicit trade practices.

1:31.0

We're talking about unfair subsidies and intellectual property theft and all economic

1:35.8

espionage, economic aggression of all kinds. And that was the 301 report. And what that does is

1:41.2

that forms the basis of tariffs that the Trump administration would impose that still remains

1:46.1

to this day, by the way. Now, Robert Lighthouser was an interesting figure because he wasn't

1:50.9

a super hawk. He wasn't aligned with Bannon and Navarro, but he wasn't a Wall Street

1:54.8

click guy either. He wasn't friends with Steve Mnuchin. He was a trade guy. A trade hawk you could

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