WHEN THE CHINA MIRACLE CRASHED: 5/8: Chaos Under Heaven: Trump, Xi, and the Battle for the Twenty-First Century by Josh Rogin (Author)
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🗓️ 7 August 2023
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WHEN THE CHINA MIRACLE CRASHED: 5/8: Chaos Under Heaven: Trump, Xi, and the Battle for the Twenty-First Century by Josh Rogin (Author)
https://www.amazon.com/Chaos-Under-Heaven-Twenty-First-Century/dp/0358393248
By the time the COVID-19 pandemic erupted in Wuhan, Trump’s love-hate relationship with Xi had sparked a trade war, while Xi’s aggression had pushed the world to the brink of a new Cold War. But their quarrel had also forced a long-overdue reckoning within the United States over China’s audacious foreign-influence operations, horrific human rights abuses, and creeping digital despotism. Ironically, this awakening was one of the biggest foreign-policy victories of Trump’s fractious term in office.
Filled with shocking revelations drawn from Josh Rogin’s unparalleled access to top U.S. officials from the White House and deep within the country’s foreign policy machine, Chaos Under Heaven reveals an administration at war with itself during perhaps our most urgent hour.
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| 0:33.0 | The Washington Post Global Opinions columnist is also the author Josh Rogan of his new book Chaos Under Heaven. |
| 0:39.0 | Trump, Xi and the battle for the 21st century. |
| 0:43.0 | 2017 is the two opponents, the United States and China, deciding how they're going to go forward between the hawks, the super hawks, Wall Street, |
| 0:54.0 | those who want a diplomatic solution to what appears to be a trade imbalance to the new president, President Trump. |
| 1:01.0 | 2018, there are definitions that are necessary. |
| 1:05.0 | What is a economic war? What is a tech war? What is national security? |
| 1:09.0 | The principles are moving around. There are no clear lines as we learn from Josh's chronology of 17 and 18. |
| 1:16.0 | It is now early 2019. The relationship is breaking down and there's a search for metaphors. |
| 1:23.0 | Recall that there's always a search for the right thing. |
| 1:27.0 | This from a quote that Josh uses thanks to Matt Pottenger in his book. |
| 1:31.0 | If names cannot be correct, then language cannot be in accordance with the truth of things. |
| 1:37.0 | And if language cannot be in accordance with the truth of things, then affairs cannot be carried on to success. |
| 1:43.0 | The affairs between China and the United States are not clear at this point until you name the thing itself. |
| 1:51.0 | Josh, is this a Cold War? Is that helpful in the year 2019 to think of it as a Cold War at the State Department and at the White House? |
| 2:00.0 | Thanks, John. I argue in the book that the use of the term Cold War has been stretched beyond any real usefulness or any real constructive instruction on how we should think about what's going on between the US and China. |
| 2:14.0 | In short, it's been bastardized to the point of being totally misleading in the sense that what most people will tell you is that, oh well, we're headed towards a Cold War. |
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