Bell Hooks has this line where she says,

you can't look to love for this constant sense of bliss

because that undercuts the power of love,

which is to transform.

And I always think that for me, like, I'm like like that's what love is. Let it out.

Hello, welcome back to Let It Out. I'm your host, Katie Dale Bow. Thank you so much for being here.

This week I speak to Virgie Tovar, who is an author,

activist, and one of the nation's leading experts

and lectures on fat discrimination and body image.

She's the founder of Babe Camp, a workshop that helps women

who are ready to break up with diet culture.

She's someone I'm gonna call a friend of mine.

I've admired her for a long time.

Our mutual friend Iswell Fox & Doe,

who has been on this podcast multiple times,

connected us and here we are.

I recorded this with Virgie while she was in LA for a little bit

and she's just truly one of my favorite people that I've

talked to in a long time. This episode's a little bit short because we had a time crunch on my end,

but she's going to come back because I have a lot more to discuss with her, but we really get in there

with style, we talk about feelings and connection, and a lot of the work that she does with people.

And we only scratch the surface.

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