The Bert Show. I am not married. I do not have a husband, but I know here on the show that Jim and I have gotten in arguments with Jeff and Bert over issues of marriage and household chores or things that husbands don't do that women get frustrated by. And then it is, I think it's a universal thing where everybody, whether you're married or not not at least if you've been in a relationship dealt with somebody for a long enough time you

try to bring two people into a situation you know each one wants to have their way and then you have to

work out some kind of compromise well I read an article in newsweek this week this week about this

new book about this woman who decided as a wife what she was going to do in order to get

her husband to do these things that she wants to do and she decided that she's going to train him

like a dog okay she she is a journalist that actually went out and her initial story was

animal training so she spent about a year or so in doing a story about animal training and then decided, you know what, these same techniques that they used to train animals could actually be used to train my husband. Okay. Now, at first it's kind of very, at first, it's really offensive to hear you say that, but I will say this, that I even brought this up a couple weeks ago. And, you know, the technique with a puppy is when he does something good, you praise it a lot, right? And I said to you guys the same thing a couple of weeks ago. When your men do stuff around the house, like they empty the dishwasher, even, you know, if you guys have been doing it most of the time and we don't do it all the time. When we do, much like a puppy, I suggested, go ahead and go over the top praising with us with it, because that's what we want, just like a puppy. Well, in the article, there's three main themes that she talks about. And I'll say this, but her name is Amy Sutherland. And I wanted to just say the reason it's such a universal theme, she started this story in the New York Times back in 2006. So two years ago, she wrote this story about this, and it became the most emailed news story that year. And so now she's got a new book out this week called What Shammu taught me about life, love, and marriage. And they've actually got a movie deal going on. Nice. Good for her. So are these like big, like general themes or like practical things we can put into use? Because I will try to use them. Well, this, as long as everybody promises not to tell Ryan that I'm going to try to train him like a dog. Well, once you rub his face and his pee spot on the floor, he's going to know. He's going to know, don't ever do that again. Right. Well, now, going on what Burgess said, the first thing in the article, it says, is reward positive behavior. It says, if your mate picks up just one dirty sock without being asked, give him lots of praise. So, like a dog. I totally agree with that. Like, what kind of praise so it's not condescending? because I can already hear my condescending tone and I haven't even thought of the words to use yet.

Like, Jeff, what kind of, like if you as the husband Because I can already hear my condescending tone and I haven't even thought of the words to use yet.

Like Jeff, what kind of, like if you as the husband wanted, I mean, wanted sincere praise for doing something pretty superficial like that, just picking up a sock that you normally wouldn't, how would you want it to sound?

I don't think the words are as important as you being naked is.

Okay.

So I think every word. Who's got time for that for every sock? Hey, if you want the socks,

you want your marriage to work. Yes. We're both going to contribute here. We're going to pick up the socks. Okay. You're going to give up the good. Well, she said it's verbal praise, right?

Yes.

Yeah.

She said, yeah, give him lots of praise when he does something that you like him to do. I appreciate you doing that. It doesn't have to be. I don't even think it has to be. For doing something I've been doing for the last. Oh, seeing that that last part. Yeah, that's not going to go well in your house. I'm going to keep it silent for that part, but I just have to, in my mind, that's what's going to be going on.

I think if you just say, thank you. That's not going to go well. I'm going to keep it silent for that part, but I just have to, in my mind, that's what's going to be going on.

I think if you just say, thank you, because I know that, like, I know when Jessica is thanking me for doing something that's not that big of a deal, but it still feels good.

You know what I mean?

So, like, if it's just a situation where I pick up a bunch of stuff that's on the table, like we have a table and near our stairs, anything that has to go upstairs goes on that table. Right. And I usually walk by it a hundred times before, but every now and again, I'll say, oh, look at that. And I'll pick it up and take it upstairs. and if she says, thanks for bringing that stuff upstairs, I am actually like, wow, like she noticed that.

That's pretty...

Here's... of that and I'll pick it up and take it upstairs and if she says thanks for bringing that stuff

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