Hey, the bird show.

What's going on, Melissa?

I was looking through Newsweek the other week and came across his editorial.

I thought it was interesting, and I wondered if it really applied to a lot of women and even some guys.

I'm sure to a lot of guys, but I think it was surprising from a woman.

It's editorial written by a woman named Bonnie Eslinger, And she is titled, Yes, to Love, No to Marriage.

And she was talking about this guy that she has been with now for several years. And she went to visit her boyfriend's family.

And they were just about to live together. So they were talking about all the things about living together.

They've been together about three years now. And her boyfriend's sister said to her, well, aren't you doing things a little backwards? Like, when are y'all getting married? Like, I expected y'all to come with an announcement of marriage and not about the fact that you're living together. And so she was kind of howling her about, well, when are you going to get married? Because if you're living together, why not go ahead and pop the question, want to have marriage? And it made her really think about it. She said her boyfriend had asked her the question, will you marry me? And she took time to think about it and then realized, you know what, I don't think that I need a piece of paper in her words to prove that we love each other. And she said that she is friends with a lot of gay friends who can't get married. And so that entered into her decision making as well. But the main thing is, and she's 42 now, but she's like, I really thought about the institution of marriage and sometimes it doesn't work out. And I made the conscious decision to say no that we don't, it's not that I don't want to marry you, but I just don't think that it is a necessary process for us to take.

Which seems like so against the cliche, you know, because the stereotype is every woman is ready to get married. And all guys are the ones that don't really need marriage, don't need the piece of paper. Right. But a woman, I mean, yeah, she's ready. She was ready yesterday. Right. And I'm curious of her age. Like she's 42, so she's a little older.

So I wonder if by that point, she's like, well, if I'm 42, do I really want to go through the ceremony or all that?

All that.

I'm just wondering because she didn't put that in the article.

But I'm curious if a 20-something-year-old woman who you would think, like you said stereotypically, is like ready to get married and dreaming about the day and already planning it and already gathering her wedding planner magazines and everything, if she would actually be the one to also say, you know what, I don't really believe in the institution of marriage. Well, it would be different people, right? Because if you were in your 20s already and you have that folder full of bride stuff and wedding stuff, then you're probably not. That's what you expect a 20-something you're old to have. But we're looking for like the female George Clooney.

Yeah. that folder full of bride stuff and wedding stuff, then you're probably not. That's what you expect a 20-something you're old to have.

But we're looking for like the female George Clooney. Yeah. It's just like, I don't need that. I don't believe in the institution. It doesn't matter if I'm 20, 30, 40. I will never, ever, ever, ever get married. I think maybe if it's because she's 42, she's old enough and wise enough to realize that she's a completely different person now than she was when she was 32 and then from 32 to 22.

So she just figures she's probably going to change a lot over the next 40 years. So how does she know she's really going to want to be with that person forever? Maybe. I'm in no rush to get married. I don't really care to get married. Well, I think there's a difference though. Like because you say you're in no rush, I think that we'll probably end up finding women today around your age, 22, that just are, no matter what, I will never get married. You're open to it. I'm open to it, but I don't think you have to have marriage in order to stay in a relationship with somebody. I don't think I need to get

married. As long as you're with somebody you have a commitment, it shouldn't matter. But your parents are divorced, right? They are. I think there might be a difference between the women that are, you know, Wendy's age that don't want to get married and the women that are 42. I think it's two totally different reasons. I think my generation was skeptical of marriage because all of our parents are divorced and we all you know the relationships in our life that are supposed to be the

role model relationships don't work I think my generation was skeptical of marriage because all of our parents are divorced.

And the relationships in our life that are supposed to be the role model relationships don't work out.

So what makes us think that ours are going to?

Whereas when you're 42, you might also just be set in your ways and you've been independent in your entire life.

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