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You know, generally when you get a celebrity on the air, what you want to do is get him to loosen up to you, you know, let them know that you like them, like their music. This goes against everything Jeff stands for. He gets on a topic with Vanessa Carlton about one of her songs, and he just would not let it go. Hey, Vanessa Carlton. Hi. How are you today? I'm excellent. How are you? Doing great. Where are you calling us from?

I'm calling from my apartment in New York.

And are you today? I'm excellent. How are you?

Doing great. Where are you calling us from? And are you from New York? And are you from New York? Yes, I am. Well, I'm actually from Pennsylvania, but I've been living here since I was 14. Vanessa, I want to do this during this interview. Yes. I want you, I mean, I want you to make this assumption. assumption. I want us to theorize that none of us have ever read anything about you before. Okay. All right. So we're going to ask you questions right from the start. Of course. From the ground up. That's always what happened. All right. So you're a singer. No, I actually play the ukulele. Where in Pennsylvania are you from? Milford. Where is that? It's a teeny town. It's kind of like near the Delaware Water Gap. I don't know. My wife is from Bradford. Do you know Bradford? Nope. It's the opposite. Delaware Water Grap is southeast. Pennsylvania. Your wife is from northwest. All I know is that it's an hour and a half

at that city. What's my wife's name again? Your wife's. Vanessa Carlton. You know what the

truest thing about Pennsylvania is because I lived in D.C. for eight years. There are two things about

Pennsylvania. A, every town in Pennsylvania, these small towns that Vanessa's talking about,

looks to me like they were all made out of the same blueprint, and they just brought the blueprint to different towns and made them all look the same.

Well, one thing that's kind of unique about my hometown is that, well, now at least, because it wasn't like that when I was growing up, but there's a lot of, like, cool antique shops. Oh, yeah? And there's a lot of artists that are, like, moving out there. So it's kind of, like, you know, the restaurants getting a little better. Yeah, it does have its, you know, you know, obligatory CBS and the wine. And, like, I mean, everything is all the same in every town. But it's, like, it's kind of cool. Were you always kind of yearning for the big city, though, in a sense? What? Oh, yeah. You are? Did you come from one of these towns where everybody, you know, like three-fourths of the people in your high school class, will stay there in that small town? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I just have always knew that I wanted to go to the city.

I love New York.

And I just, I actually started, like, driving into the city when I was, like, in seventh

grade, I was starting to be a ballet dancer since I was really young.

And I would skip school, basically, and have these day trips into New York to take ballet class. And that's kind of when I bit the bug. It was like, there's so much outside of where I am right now, even though I love to, I love Milford to death, you know, with my hometown. Right. But I'd start discovering what was out there when I was like, you know, like 12.

On the scale of, are you, first of all, are your parents still there in Pennsylvania? Yes, they are. They actually moved to another little town, but they live on a lake, so it's so nice to visit. Okay, on the scale of desire, if your parents didn't live anywhere near that little town, with one being no desire and 12 being I can't wait to get back

What would be your desire to ever go back to your hometown?

If they didn't live there?

If they didn't live there

Anywhere near it?

Well, that means also that I wasn't raised there

No, I'm just saying, you know, just go back to visit because I know a lot. Oh, no, because I want to go back. I would say, okay, I would give it, it's one to 12. Wow, I've never heard of one to 12. We can make one to 14. We do things different. The scale is one to 42 and a half, go. I would say I would give it a 30. 30 All right. So you're not one of these people that are shying away from home. No, because that's my hometown. All right. I miss it. The video is all over MTV. Yeah, they've been good to me over there. Boy, they sure have. What's it like the first time you see your video come up?

And you're like, wait, that's my face.

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