Hello, my friend, and welcome to another episode of Negotiate Anything.

Thanks for spending time with us today.

It's listeners like you in 181 different countries that have made Negotiate Anything the most popular negotiation and conflict resolution podcast in the world.

I'm your host, Kwame Christian.

I'm a business lawyer, mediator,

professor, and the director of the American Negotiation Institute. Before we get started,

I have two quick questions for you. Is negotiation a critical part of what you do? Do you need to

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about our negotiation workshops. We've traveled the country working with professionals just like

you, and we'd love to have the opportunity to work with you too. Check out the link in the

description to learn more. Carl, thanks for joining us today. It's a pleasure to be here. Thank you.

Yeah, I'm looking forward to this. I've been looking forward to this for a long time. And so how about you get it started by telling us a little bit about yourself and what you do? Thank you. Okay, I'm happy to. So I'm Carl LeVaney. I'm a trial lawyer here in Columbus, Ohio. I practice with the law firm of Carlisle Patchen and Murphy. I'm also a

candidate for judge. So I'm on the ballot in November, and that has been a remarkable experience

from beginning to end. So we will see how that plays out as we get into the final term before

the finish line and moving forward.

Fantastic.

Well, we appreciate you taking some time off the campaign trail to work with us here.

And I'm excited about this one because we're going to talk about storytelling.

And the last time we've had somebody talk about persuasive storytelling, I think it was

January 2017. So we are long overdue to revisit this topic. And you are especially qualified

to talk about this because you use it very well as a trial attorney and then also as a candidate for

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