Welcome to Karen Hunter's awesome. I'm Karen Hunter, and today I want to talk a little bit about

vision and perspective. And I'm going to invite somebody in to have this conversation with me, but I first want to

play a clip.

I found a neuroscientist, Stanford professor, Dr. Tina Seleig, she was on a podcast with

Mel Robbins.

And they were talking about money because Mel Robbins, that's her thing.

But money is not really about money, which is why my guest is going to be in to talk shortly.

But let me first play this clip.

Asked to teach one week about entrepreneurship in the new design school at Stanford.

And I was like, what can I do in one week?

So I had 14 teams and I gave them each an envelope with $5 in it.

And I said, you can brainstorm as long as you want, but as soon as you open this envelope,

you have two hours to make as much money as possible.

What are you going to do?

And this was, I basically gave them essentially nothing, right? A few dollars. And they needed to figure out what value they could create. Okay. Now, there were the people, I knew you could do something. I could have a lemonade stand or a car wash or do something small. And there were the groups that did that. Then there were the groups who said, hey, you know what, that $5 is a red herring.

I don't need the $5.

I've got all sorts of skills.

And they set up a stand to pump bike tires in the middle of campus.

And they made $200, you know, because, and halfway through, they said, hey, let's not charge people.

Let's just ask for donations and people pay them more.

Or they made reservations

at restaurants in Palo Alto and as the, you know, with long lines. And as the reservation came up,

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