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That's better help help dot com. I'm John Patscher welcoming my colleague Judy Dempsey from Berlin. She's the Carnegie

Endowment for International Peace Scholar helping me with her general knowledge of the EU and a specific ability to take me

from country to country where she's been and I have not. And right now we're

going to a country where I've never been Ukraine, which is profoundly broken by

the aggressor of Russia these last nearly three years.

And now that story is in common with the US where Russia and Ukraine are in

the news within these hours.

In interview given on 60 Minutes, the very large and popular news show from CBS, by candidate

Harris, Vice President Harris, about foreign policy as well as domestic policy.

The foreign policy that matters here is I read the headline from the Financial Times to

be as careful as possible.

Harris wills out bilateral talks with Putin on ending war in Ukraine.

Ms Harris says much more to say about that. However, there is the suggestion here that as long as it takes will continue from the United States

point of view under the potential of a Harris administration in 25. a a single paragraph about Ukraine. It's not as long as it takes but it's something

close to it. Can you characterize the EU right now about Ukraine and 25? Thank you.

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