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Today's guest, with her husband, took a growing up gap trip in 2018 to walk the GR5 in Europe.

Then she wrote a memoir about the adventure, called To Walk It Is To See It.

One couple, 98 days, 1400 miles on Europe's GR5.

She and her husband have also walked routes in southern Spain, Italy, after discovering

to a model's walk.

Kathy Elkheim, welcome to Pop Bear Hikes.

Thank you, Martin. It's great to be here.

Let's start by telling us a little bit about you.

Let's see, I've been many different things.

I've been a teacher.

I have raised two children, so I was a stay at a mom for a while.

And then I went back to tutoring readings.

I've worked with kids quite a bit.

I also, let's see, well, it's about done.

I've also been an eating psychology coach because I struggled with overeating

because of the shame from dyslexia, which is kind of a longer story.

What else have I done?

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