Peter Teagle told Sam Altman years ago, I am not funding you anymore. I kicked him out my program and you need to get these EA people out of opening I now or you're going to regret it. And Sam was like, oh, well, politics and things like that. Yeah, he gave him a clear warning.

Right. And then also when Joe and I are working at Google, when you're inside these companies, you can't just get on the mic and you start talking about tech because that will violate your NDA or get into trouble. So instead, you get to see

Lex Freeman and other people who've never been inside the corporate operation or been close to

how the decisions are made, just pontificate on crap. Our show is very like, let's cut away from

the bullshit. We're replicating that exact thing with large language models now.

And it's like, that's the next big wave.

I'm very excited about it, a little bit scared too,

because it seems like the interpretability loses a little bit when we go scale up reinforcement learning.

This goes back to where you started with, we're not really designing these things. And the flip side of that is even after they've grown or developed or however you frame it, we can't really understand how they work. And you've got a bunch of engineers and you're like, have you taken this thing apart and figured out how it works inside? And they're like, we took it apart. We put it back together again. we still don't know how it works. Yep. What the hell? Yep. Awesome. We're live. As in we're recording not live stream. Yes. If I screw up, we're cutting it out, right? Yes, of course. See if you can spot the moment Wes realizes that nothing is being cut.

If you want to skip the origin story of Wes and go straight to AI, start at 10 minutes, 25 seconds.

Joe Ternaski is an engineer and tech leader.

He's a former engineer director at Google and Facebook and has also held roles at Apple, Microsoft, Splunk, Welfront, and Adobe.

Jordan Thibodeau.

Am I saying the last name right?

Jordan Tibido.

It's a terrible last thing. We're going to keep it on the air. Tibido. Tibido. It's just French Canadian garbage. So. Jordan. That's why I have the American flag over here just to balance things out. Gotcha. It's out of frame. so I guess I guess guess, I guess, uh, Roe side you can cut it in a nut because they're recording our full. There we. Yeah. There we go. This is a Fox News alert. There's a minority in your neighborhood. Go for. All right. All right. Let me let me let me deliver the line without laughing here. All right. Jordan Tibido.

I want to make the final cut. I want to end the show if we can. Go go for it. Go go. Go go. Go.

What my. Oh, that yeah, yeah, definitely. Me being an assuakes. The outtakes. I, you know, love it, love it. Jordan Tibado focuses on business and human side of tech,

spent 10 plus years at Google,

eight years in M&A mergers and acquisitions,

and later worked at Scyt. focuses on business and human side of tech, spent 10 plus years at Google,

eight years in M&A, mergers and acquisitions,

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