All right. Well, John, Dr. Nodal, thank you so much for being here. It's great to finally get a chance to talk to you. So we would love to catch up a little bit on the latest AI news and what's been happening. Of course, we had Tesla's Robotaxie rolling out. I think you were one of the first humans on Earth to try it in the wild. I mean, let's start there. How was that? Well, I'll tell you the story about all of this, because it's Tesla and nothing ever goes smoothly. I was actually in Michigan for another event, and several people were like, oh, I got the invite. And this is like Friday, and the rollout was Sunday. So a bunch of people said, oh, I got the invite. And I, you know, asked my wife because

she was up there with me. And I said, oh, man, you know, it's just like, this is insanity. She had surgery yesterday on her knee because she had an ACL thing. And I was like, this is just too much stress. I'm not going to go. I didn't get an invite. It's okay. And then Saturday at 4.30 in the afternoon. They're like, hey, you've got an invite too. And I was like,

well, I mean, I can't not go now that I have an invite. So I'm sitting here scrambling around

trying to like make plain arrangements and make sure she gets home from Michigan and all of this

stuff. Anyway, so I get to, I get to Texas at noon and the rollout gets pushed back till two.

So fortunately, I'm right there at the beginning. And I go, this is how small of a world it is. There's another content creator named Herbert Ong, Brighter with Herbert. And I went over to a restaurant just to go get some lunch really quick before the things started at two. Lo and behold, he's live streaming in this restaurant of all these places. And we're sitting there and all of a sudden, our phone's all ding and we're all like, and we all like are downloading this thing and running out the door trying to get to the car first so that we can be the very first person to be on the Robotaxi drive. So yeah, so I don't, he was definitely in front of me because I have a video of his car and then mine. And so he was like, you know, like one car in front of me.

But it was so I the lot tases no more no more don't

I literally I ate half of my lunch and that had to throw it away and I was really bummed about that but but anyway so it was I ended up doing 10 rides across one that day and then a little bit of the next morning before I had to go back home again.

And there were only, I think, maybe 15 of us, but of course we were all giving everybody else rides as much as we could, which was a lot of fun because you could only take one passenger with you at a time.

So I'll be happy to talk about the internals of how this all works and the experience,

like the way that the actual robotics works inside these cars, and they are robots for sure.

But the experience of it was very cool. They had a safety driver in, or safety monitor, sorry,

in the passenger seat who clearly, there was some button on the handle that they could kill if they needed to, but they, none of them in the drives that I did, which were about 90 minutes total, ever touched that button. The car did fantastic, drove around Austin. There was a sort of geo-fenced area that's kind of like a rectangle below the river that we could drive into. And I would pick like one spot over here and then I'd pick one at the opposite end and it would drive us. And then I'd get picked up and I'd go someplace. So I was just, I learned a whole bunch about Austin. I had never been to all these cool places like little coffee shops and stuff like that. So it was a lot of fun. But it, the crazy thing was it felt completely normal

and fine, which was really cool. And then right after that, I actually took a Waymo. So I actually did a

back-to-back Tesla Cybercab, a Robo taxi, and a Waymo like within a minute of each other. So we stopped

at one place and we actually picked up a Waymo and went to another place. So that was very cool. Interesting. So out of the two, who would you bet on as kind of winning this race? I think that Tesla will win on scale as long as they don't screw something up. It's sort of their game to lose at this point. And there's an interesting blog post that Waymo just put out recently. I haven't even had a chance to do a video on it yet. But it talks about how what you need to do is minimize the number of sensors on the vehicles. Everybody who's seen a Waymo, I'm sure, it's got the little party hat that's spinning on the top. It's got the little things on the side. It's got, you know, it looks like it's got a bunch of like warts on it or something like that. So it's about a $150,000 car, and it's got a ton of different sensors on it. It's got LIDAR, radar, sonar, vision. And so all of those things are expensive, but beyond expensive, they can cause lots and

lots of problems. And Tesla had to go through this experience of having things like ultrasonics

and radar and stuff on their vehicles. But over time, I'm trying to remember, I think it was

about 2021, where they decided to get rid of ultrasonics and radar and just go with vision.

And everybody, even till today, everyone's like, you're crazy.

You can't do that.

And the answer was always, well, humans have two cameras and a neural network.

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