So it's not like we're just X amount of time smarter than an ant.

It's like a different brain architecture that allows for completely new abilities.

So then you can imagine there might be a step after humans and a step after that.

They're not just smarter, but they're like a step function.

This is the end of the sort of biological range of intelligence. And then up here,

that's artificial superintelligence. We can't even perceive what's on the next level. Like as, as

ants are to us, if that's the same distance, we travel up that ladder, we can't even imagine that.

And the biggest illustration for me is like alpha-full. And then it started spitting out predictions

for other proteins that we haven't sort of discovered or knew the shape of. There's some sort of a

pattern that we can't even understand or predict. We feed into this neural net. And it's like, oh, yeah,

obviously there's this pattern to how biological life is formed with the building blocks. Obviously, like here's what I can make one up. Here you go. We had a good run in terms of being the great apex intelligence in the planet. We've been the smartest things on the planet for a long, long time. Hi, I'm Dylan Curious from the YouTube channel, Dylan Curious, and I am really excited to talk with you, Wes. I'm very glad to have you here. Let's get started. I would love to just start with a question of like, when did you have a defining moment where you

thought that AI might kind of be worth all this effort? So for most people, I feel like the

Chad GPT moment was the start of something, right? For me, I saw Elon Musk tweet,

Chad GPT is getting scary good or something like that. I was like, what is this chat GPT thing? So I went and I checked it out. And it was, it was okay.

It definitely had something to it. It wasn't magical. It wasn't mind-blowing. But there was something there.

I was like, all right, this is, this is interesting. All right. Whatever. Next, I started learning more about open AI, and they had this really

interesting hide and seek reinforcement learning, kind of like a video game where they're training

these AI agents to play hide and seek. And, you know, it wasn't anything new.

It wasn't anything mind-blowing.

I think they just did a really good job of presenting it in a very engaging way.

They did a great job of showing the data and illustrating the concepts.

And it had these little blue and red people running around with smiles in their

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