type of loss, it defies language. It kind of defines worse because the depth of emotion that

you feel, and I'm talking specifically about the pain and the loss, there are not words in the

English dictionary to describe the depth of loss. I mean, you hear the word grief, but you do not,

and you think, oh, that means they're really sad. They wear black.

They cry. It's such a depth of emotion. It's an ocean of emotions that you can't even begin

to describe to someone unless they've watched that path. This is the Gutsy Health podcast, your

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Hey, everybody, welcome back to the gutsy health podcast. I have on here two really remarkable women,

and I'm going to share brief stories about how they came

into my life. First, Jessica White, when Tristan was diagnosed with cancer as Jessica White's husband,

Nathan was also diagnosed with cancer. We met around that time that he was fighting and then

your husband like Nathan died about a year and a half before Tristan.

Is that correct, Jess? I think so. And you kind of guided me and Tristan through as he was transitioning.

You spoke with him a lot. And then when he died or as he was dying, like, I leaned into you. And I

remember you saying all these things about,

like, how you could feel Nathan, how he's not far. And I remember thinking, like, I remember the

one time we were, we were hiking up to what I call the temple, that, that waterfall that was on

the HOA property of my house. And you saying, like, he's so close, like you can feel him. You talk to him all the

time. And I remember thinking, how, how is this possible? Like my husband is dying. I needed some

assurance, right? And you were my assurance. And then she asked. And then I was like, oh my God,

Jess, I get it. Like, I get it. Like, I remember something really

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