What I think you're afraid of is if I actually know him, then maybe I will have to make

hard decisions if he's not responsible.

Maybe it'll disappoint me.

I think a lot of times those that move into a maternal energy have learned to manage disappointment

and fear through solving and managing and a kind of hyper-responsibility

that probably was a functional response in their lives at some point.

But in a marriage, it interferes with each of you taking fuller responsibility for yourselves.

Hi, everyone. Dr. Jennifer here. As you listen to the coaching session that follows, you might be surprised by how much this couple's experiences resonate with your own.

Because as humans, we have a tendency to get stuck in very similar ways. And it's

often easier to see these patterns in others, which is why Room for Two is such a powerful

learning tool. So when you listen, you'll likely see yourself in these episodes. And when you do,

I encourage you to use the feedback I offer to make important changes in your own life and your own relationship.

Please note that to protect privacy, the names, voices, and identifying features of the couples

have been altered, but they're sharing their stories generously to help all of us.

So I hope you'll benefit from what you learn here. Welcome to Room for Two.

Johnny and June, welcome to Room for Two. Thank you. It's good to be here.

So yeah, tell me a bit about what's brought you here and how I can be most helpful.

Gosh, I don't know how to start this. I don't know how to

start. Okay. So we've been in kind of a good place the last couple of, I guess the last year or so.

We've been married for over 20 years, but the first several years of our marriage, we didn't really

fight. We didn't really fight. We didn't really

argue. We didn't have anything go wrong, it seems like. And then, like, our faith changed a

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