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Today I'm sitting down with my best friends, Chris and Caleb, and we're talking about what it looks like to have true, genuine, godly friendships and what that doesn't look like. It's going to be a good episode. I can't wait for you to hear it. Let's dive in. So here are the Dad Tired guys. Jared started a podcast, Seth. I forgot how many again.

Ten years ago.

Ten years ago and just doing

great stuff in the Christian dad space, but really just a discipleship space in general. And

outside of just creating content for that and having conversations online, we're also friends

offline and wish we lived in the same side of the country.

But Caleb, you were having a conversation previously. I wanted to throw it over to you.

Yeah, yeah. I was telling Jared yesterday that I got through these seasons where I don't sleep.

People always make fun of me about it. But I wasn't sleeping the other night and I was just excited

to be with you guys. like just so thankful for friendship.

And I was thinking, um, I was thinking about what the, what is the basis for real friendship or like where does friendship, uh, thrive?

Like, where's the soil of friendship?

And the idea that, um, when I'm with you guys and able to breathe and I think there's a sense

of friendship being grounded on shared pain and not necessarily shared success or shared

gifting like I think if we went around the

room like we can teach well enough like we each have like a well enough teaching gift but that's not

what in any way binds us together but there's a sense of like and maybe just because jared's let us in

this but like to sit with Jared and understand

abandonment stuff that you went through to understand like I always tell Jared like,

dude, there are dark things happening in your head and none of us are surprised by that.

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