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Earlier we spoke about some people we have crossed paths with to just coincidentally,

I interviewed and one of them just happened to met you, which was in 2020,

a young woman by the name of Crystal Gale, welcome, is her father.

I thought that was interesting.

And as you and I were talking before, the interview started.

You're getting into these ideas, how we could fix things.

Crystal Gale and I had this idea that we need to invite more people to go out

on overnight, weekend, or maybe even through hikes, because if we can get

people of differences together, it'll force them to sit down and put their

differences aside and get along.

I thought, I think that's a good idea that might work.

You know, I so love hearing that we, you know, at the conference, about every two weeks

or so, we have a virtual happy hour in which anybody who wants to can give a small donation

to the conference, because we're non-profit and then they join us for, they join me in

the board for just, I mean, sometimes it goes on for an hour, and I don't even want

to say this publicly, but sometimes it goes on for over four hours, where I, there's just,

we're just talking, and it's people from all around the country and they come on and

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