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SYRIA: HANDSHAKE WITH A CUTRHOAT. ilan berman, Malcolm Hoenlein @Conf_of_pres @mhoenlein1

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🗓️ 16 May 2025

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SYRIA: HANDSHAKE WITH A CUTRHOAT. ilan berman, Malcolm Hoenlein @Conf_of_pres @mhoenlein1
1860 DAMASCUS

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0:00.0

This is CBS Island the World. I'm John Batchel with Malcolm Holine Conference of President's

0:08.7

Major American Jewish Organizations. And we're very pleased to welcome our colleague, long-standing

0:14.6

colleague Elon Berman of the American Foreign Policy Council to comment on the President's

0:20.3

mission so far to the Middle East.

0:23.7

Elon, I'm very good evening to you. I want to get to the Russian component, but we begin with

0:28.1

that handshake with Shara. That astonished me when I first saw it, but then again, I thought,

0:36.8

you handshakes with monsters in order to tame

0:40.0

them. Is that going to do it, or is this stage one of taming monsters? Good evening, too, Elon.

0:45.9

Hi, John. Hi, Malcolm. So I think that's really the $64,000 question because to me, I think think chara's rehabilitation because that's precisely what

0:58.1

it is right we've seen over the last couple of months we've seen a real international push to

1:03.8

rehabilitate him and it's not just in the persian gulf it's also in europe and now uh with the trump

1:10.6

administration as well, a lot of

1:12.6

this is, as I read it, very preemptive. Sharra is still a very weak leader. He was a specially

1:20.0

designated global terrorist on the U.S. State Department's list until December of this year,

1:26.7

a position he held for 12 years preceding.

1:30.0

And he hasn't, he doesn't have much control in a very practical sense.

1:34.2

He doesn't have much control of Syria.

1:35.8

So I understand the idea of lifting sanctions preemptively as a shaping tool to shape his

1:41.5

behavior to get him to act better.

1:43.7

But I would have counseled a little bit more insistence on concrete steps because Shara right

1:51.3

now is getting pulled in a whole bunch of different directions, including by country like

1:56.2

Qatar that are pushing him in a decidedly unconstructive direction.

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