This is CBS I on the World. I'm John Batchel. My colleague and co-host and friend Bill Rajo Foundation for the

Defense of Democracies, a senior fellow keeping the Long War Journal. And we're joined very, very happily

by Caleb Weiss of the Bridgeway Foundation, most importantly writing at the FD, and we're posting routinely on Long War Journal about

the jihadists of Africa, East Africa and West Africa. We go to East Africa, well, the Nile

River Basin, for the Islamic State calls for jihad in Sudan, filed within these last days by Caleb Wise.

Caleb, a very good evening to you. My understanding of Sudan is that it's torn apart by a civil war,

which pits one part of the militia against another part of the militia. One calls itself the Sudanese army, one doesn't.

I checked in maybe a month ago and the Russians were involved.

At the same time, Ethiopia is watching very carefully and Egypt's watching very carefully

because not only because they border but because it's about stability in the horn of Africa.

Now, Islamic State is present.

What part of Islamic State?

Is this a headline and not follow up?

Or have we got fighters on the ground and a training camp?

Good evening to you, Caleb.

Good evening, John.

Thank you for having me again.

I don't know about training camp, but the Islamic State, even though they've just recently called for jihad, as I wrote about, this is the new part. However, what it isn't new is that they've had members and a sort of cohesive network inside Sudan, specifically Khartoum, since at least 2019, though

probably earlier because Sudanese fighters were also present in Libya, in Somalia, in West

Africa.

So they had to be recruited somehow and most likely from Islamic State members in Sudan.

But this cohesive network that I mentioned has been there since the least 2019.

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