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Sturgeon's second stab: Will there be a new battle for Scotland?

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4.4785 Ratings

🗓️ 1 March 2017

⏱️ 32 minutes

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With Alex Massie, Fraser Nelson, James Forsyth, Freddy Gray, Camilla Swift and Ben Fogle. Presented by Isabel Hardman.

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0:00.0

Welcome to The Spectator podcast. I'm Isabel Hardman. On this week's episode, we'll be

0:09.7

questioning whether Nicola Sturgeon might be tempted by a second independence referendum,

0:14.2

discussing the increasingly frosty relations between the USA and Russia, and asking whether

0:19.4

city dogs are a menace to sheep.

0:21.8

First, Theresa May was in Scotland this week for meetings with Nicola Sturgeon ahead of the Scottish Tory conference.

0:27.7

Thanks to Brexit, the Scots appear to have another opportunity to try and go it alone.

0:32.7

But with support for independence still routinely polling below 50% will she pull the trigger?

0:38.3

I'm joined to discuss this by the spectators Scotland editor Alex Massey and our editor Fraser Nelson.

0:44.7

So Alex, how confident are you that Nicola Sturgeon is going to push for a second independence referendum?

0:50.3

Well, I think she is certainly going to do so at some point.

0:53.6

The question is when? The idea that the referendum in 2014 put the issue to bed for a generation or that it was a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity, as the SMP once promised, has since been contradicted by events. Brexit really has changed the game. It has delivered an opportunity for the Scottish

1:13.9

nationalists to push for a second referendum to be held at some point in this Parliament.

1:19.4

And there is increasing speculation in Scotland in a widespread sense that time is running out

1:24.8

for there not to be a referendum, that the nationalists have sort of talked themselves into a corner

1:30.0

from which the only available way out is through another referendum,

1:34.5

which isn't something that Gladden's many hearts in Scotland,

1:37.1

because there is still, as yet, no majority in favour of the second referendum.

1:41.3

And, you know, having been through the experience in 2014,

1:44.9

and then through Brexit in 2015, there's a degree of referendum fatigue. But it's increasingly clear that the

1:50.6

constitutional question, the national question, has not been settled and that actually Brexit

1:55.0

has reopened it, albeit in ways that complicate matters for both the nationalists and for

2:00.2

unionists.

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