SCOTUS: Tariff power. Richard Epstein, Civitas Institute, University of Texas.
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🗓️ 2 August 2025
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| 0:00.0 | This is CBSI on the world. I'm John Batchel. Welcomeing my good colleague Professor Richard Epstein |
| 0:07.4 | teaches law at NYU in the University of Chicago, writing for the Civitas Institute. We turn to |
| 0:13.2 | breaking news. Wall Street Journal, Trump's tariffs questioned by appeals court. Subhead, judges voice skepticism that president can use |
| 0:26.8 | emergency powers to replace import schedule Congress adopted. One of the judges gave a salient |
| 0:33.3 | quote that's useful. This is Judge Timothy Dyke of the court. It's just hard for me to see that |
| 0:42.3 | Congress intended to give the president a wholesale authority to throw out the tariff schedule |
| 0:47.8 | that Congress adopted after years of careful work. Professor, a very good evening to you. This was always hanging out there |
| 0:56.0 | as something that the Trump administration was going to have to confront and either bypass |
| 1:02.5 | or get over, get past, or be blocked by, which is a court that is deciding whether the |
| 1:08.9 | president has the power to uniformly and unilaterally |
| 1:12.5 | declare new tariffs, a power that was delegated in the Constitution, as you've guided me, |
| 1:20.8 | to the Congress. |
| 1:22.3 | And there's something about you cannot delegate the delegated. |
| 1:25.4 | Good evening to you, Professor. |
| 1:27.0 | Yes, you sometimes can delegate the delegated, and indeed the International Emergency Economic Act |
| 1:33.0 | did exactly that, but they didn't do it under these particular circumstances. |
| 1:38.1 | The question about intelligible principle goes back to the 1920s, in which the United States Supreme Court, speaking through |
| 1:45.7 | Chief Justice, Tav said, you can delegate to a given body to calculate tariffs. And what that |
| 1:52.2 | particular statute did is gave an elaborate formula that allow you to determine almost to the |
| 1:57.2 | penny the tariffs that had to be put on certain kinds of imported goods. |
| 2:06.6 | And so the definition in that case of an intellectual principle was essentially a mathematical formula that work. In this particular case, there is no such intelligible principle that has that |
| 2:12.6 | degree of precision. Indeed, there's no principle at all. And so what happens is there are two questions you have to face. |
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