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S8 Ep970: Anatol Lieven analyzes Ukrainian drone strikes on St. Petersburg, which damaged energy infrastructure and embarrassed the Kremlin during an economic forum. Lieven observes that the war has evolved into a "battle of drones," undermining Russia's impAnatol

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🗓️ 5 June 2026

⏱️ 11 minutes

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Summary

Anatol Lieven analyzes Ukrainian drone strikes on St. Petersburg, which damaged energy infrastructure and embarrassed the Kremlin during an economic forum. Lieven observes that the war has evolved into a "battle of drones," undermining Russia's imperial image and increasing internal pressure on Putin as his original strategic goals remain unfulfilled.

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0:00.0

We're looking at the conflict between the Kremlin, Moscow, and Kiev.

0:22.6

Going on now for years, however, it's turned a new page, the drone wars.

0:27.9

For this, we have a report from Petersburg in these last days.

0:33.6

Reuters, Ukrainian drones hit an oil terminal in St. Petersburg and a warship in Dry Dock at a nearby naval base.

0:42.2

Hours before Vladimir Putin's showcase economic forum got underway in the city in a clear attempt to embarrass the Kremlin chief.

0:50.9

The attack on Putin's home city, writes Reuters, location of his own Davos's, a glitzy annual

0:57.6

economic form designed to attract foreign investment, comes as both sides, dial-up strikes against

1:03.5

each other in their more than four-year-old war with no end in sight. And I told, I come to you on

1:10.0

this because visiting Petersburg once in my life

1:13.8

in 85 towards the end of the Cold War, it's an imperial city that feels not entirely populated.

1:20.7

It's a vast landscape built over centuries by the Tsars, by the court, and lots of roads and bridges that are just expansive

1:32.6

of a Russian empire, what was once upon a time. Striking Petersburg, though, seems more than

1:38.9

just the ability to reach that far from Ukraine, if that's where the drones were fired. It suggests that this

1:46.0

is meant to humble, not Vladimir Putin, but the Russian image of itself as an empire, as ruling

1:54.3

an empire fairly. Was it taken that way in Russia? Did they see this as a blow to their reputation?

2:02.1

Well, I mean, yes, the fact that the Ukrainian drones could penetrate Russian air defenses

2:08.9

in this way is certainly a blow. And I don't know whether to Russia's image of itself. I mean, you know, Russia has

2:19.9

suffered a great deal worse than this in its history. But certainly to the prestige of the Putin

2:26.2

administration, you know, which launched this war, also, you know, on the promise of protecting

2:32.9

Russia against NATO expansion and, of course,

2:35.2

has actually vastly increased the dangers to Russia. So, yes, I mean, this is a bad blow. And one of the

2:46.9

dangerous aspects of it, I mean, the Russians haven't said this yet or claimed this,

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