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S8 Ep970: Anatol Lieven discusses the civil unrest following the murder of Henry Novak in England. He critiques the police response and explains how Nigel Farage is exploiting the tragedy to fuel nationalist sentiment. Additionally, Lieven assesses the political de

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John Batchelor

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🗓️ 5 June 2026

⏱️ 7 minutes

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Summary

Anatol Lieven discusses the civil unrest following the murder of Henry Novak in England. He critiques the police response and explains how Nigel Farage is exploiting the tragedy to fuel nationalist sentiment. Additionally, Lievenassesses the political decline of Keir Starmer and the potential rise of Andy Burnham.
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0:00.0

I'm John Batser with Antel Levin, and I call upon him to help me understand the English politics right now,

0:23.1

the British politics, because there's been a murder of an 18-year-old boy, Henry Novak.

0:28.2

I know very little about the circumstances other than the fact that he's dead.

0:32.5

The police are under investigation for not taking care of him in some important fashion while he was laying

0:38.9

on the floor dying, on the street dying. The instrument that stabbed him is said to be a knife,

0:45.3

a ceremonial knife carried by some members of the British citizenry. I think they're called

0:50.7

Sikhs. That's from the subcontinent. It was part of the British Empire.

0:54.9

There are a lot of contentious facts here, so I'm not going to summarize more than to say

0:58.6

the politicians have weighed in.

1:01.4

And Nigel Farage of the Reform Party has made inflammatory remarks to understate the matter.

1:07.5

Mr. Streeting of the Labor Party, Mr. Burnham of Greater Manchester and Labor Party,

1:12.9

and Mr. Starrmer of the Labor Party, have all reacted in horror. So is Ms. Madnock of the,

1:18.6

of the conservatives. All member of the Parliament are shocked, and yet Farage is looking to

1:25.6

rally what are understood in other countries to be nationalist forces.

1:30.3

And I told it hasn't come to violence yet, but it will or may and has before.

1:36.3

Farage, what is he thinking? Why does he say these things? I'm not even going to quote him.

1:42.3

Well, it already has come to violence.

1:44.9

You know, there's been a riot in Southampton where the murder happened.

1:48.3

And there have been several riots, you know, over the past year.

1:51.6

I mean, what happened was that, you know, we don't know exactly what happened.

1:55.5

But this Sikh guy and this young Polish immigrant, actually, Henry Novak, got into some kind of an argument.

2:02.6

The Sikh stabbed him with this knife.

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