This is John Batchler, conversation with my colleague Jeff Bliss, about In-N-Out.

I do not know the franchise, but Jeff swears by it.

And he tells the story, the oar in-and-out, the beginnings of In-N-Out now to be a three- or four-story

extravagance on the strip in Las Vegas Vegas lights, film, camera, ready for its

close-up, Mr. DeMille.

Jeff Bliss.

More tonight.

Well, I guarantee you, certainly the first few months, there's going to be a line out the door,

you know, in and out are legendary hamburgers.

And it's so funny to think when it first opened,

a little mom and pop drive-through here in the LA area

in the 50s, it really was a shack in a sense.

It looked like an old gas station,

barely enough room inside for a couple people

to work the friar and the hamburger grill and all that.

And now they've grown to this and the numerous stores throughout the country as they

expand eastward.