I'm John Batchler. I welcome Jack Burnham, research fellow at the Foundation for the Defense of Democracies,

focusing especially on the Chinese manufacturing around the world, which is a challenge not only to the United States and its balance of payments,

but also to our European allies, in fact, all Asian allies, because of the Chinese skill and undermining the market with subsidies and

violation of copyright and also just relentless hard work.

We're going to start with an old friend, however.

Jack, a very good evening to you.

Huawei.

Every time I read about Huawei, I think

of a moment where I was leaving Tajkan Uzbekistan after a week of broadcasting in a car

provided for me by my sponsors. And we pulled up at a traffic light on the way. The airport was just

ahead of us. And I looked out and I saw this brand new

building and at the top was the emblem, Huawei. And I thought to myself, huh, it is everywhere.

Now this is seven, eight, almost ten years later. It is everywhere, but it's got old skills

and new skills. You at the Foundation for the

Defense of Democracy are worried about their old skills as well as they're new. What is it that

you're seeing, Jack? Good evening to you. Thank you for having me. I think the concern around

Huawei is exactly that. There's some longstanding concerns and there's some newer concerns.

I think to start with the longstanding concerns, the U.S. government has been very aggressive

in policing Huawei's access to the U.S. networks, you know, and particularly pressuring allies

and partners to strip Huawei out of things like 5G rollouts and things of that

nature of stripping out Huawei's equipment, particularly at least at the time, it's newer

equipment. But all that being said, there was a gap that was left in these decision making

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