I'm John Batchel, continuing conversation with the author of Professor Daniel Rood, his new book

in the shadow of the great house about the plantation system exploiting human beings and the land

over 400 years in the Americas. Here we have a very famous author to say the least, Charles

Dickens on a train heading south, observing the overland slave trade

that replaced the transatlantic slave trade in the first half of the 19th century,

Charles Dickens seeing weeping and despair beyond human understanding of a young family that was sold to slavery away from the father

and husband. Daniel introduces and how Dickens remembers in his journals this incident.

Daniel Rood, much more of this tonight, the second hour. First hour was last night.

Daniel Rood. He's taking one of his famous American tours, and he is on a train heading

heading south in Virginia, and he sees a mother and two children who are black and who had just been sold away from

the husband and father and noted that the mother was sorrow's picture, I think he says,

and that the children cried the whole way.

And so he's actually, Charles Dickens is actually seeing up close the way that this large

scale overland slave trade, which replaced the transatlantic slave trade after 1808, is

affecting individual people.