This is John Batchel, a conversation with my colleague, Henry Sikolsky, of the Non-Proliferation Policy Education Center,

on lessons learned about public vulnerabilities, watching the Iran war and the troubles in the whole of the Gulf of incoming for targeting infrastructure.

What is to be done? Henry recommends start the education. There are none

of us who are invulnerable to drones and missiles correctly targeted against infrastructure,

and in the worst case scenario, against nuclear power infrastructure. Here's Henry.

Well, I think it's time that we start thinking about

homeland security. I wouldn't just focus on this nuclear problem. I would also focus on what

happens if electricity supplies are cut off. What happens if you're pumping stations for natural gas or even gasoline itself,

like we experience when the Russians were very likely hacking the colonial pipeline?

I think some form of civilian infrastructure, preparedness or resilience

requires public education about these threats and what to expect and what is expected of you,

is something we, I think we're going to have to rejoin.

You know, people hate to think about civil defense because it brings up or conjures up the memories of the 1950s,

worrying about nuclear weapons going off and hiding underks and building bomb shelters and all this rather

radical stuff. But what we're talking about is much more modest. I think we've got to start the

conversation. And yeah, I think the government needs to figure out how do we talk about this

without scaring the public.