I'm John Batchel. My colleague and friend, that is, MacArthur of American Greatness,

joins me as we have an

opportunity to talk to Judy Dempsey, the senior scholar at the Carnegie Endowment for International

Peace in Berlin. This is the first opportunity we three have had to discuss the war together,

travel plans, and the vagaries of the calendar. So I welcome you, Judy. We plunge

immediately into what, wittily, the Financial Times, your former employer once upon a time,

wittily they call the Armageddon Taco Shuffle, subhead explaining to those who are

arriving on planet Earth.

One minute, Mr. Trump threatens death and destruction.

The next minute, he says the U.S. and Iran are engaged in negotiations.

We've seen the Armageddon Taco Shuffle up close these last three or four days.

But I have not understood how Germany is hearing the Armageddon

Taco Shuffle. Mr. Trump yesterday called off the threat that stood in place over the weekend

and then extended his so-called deadline five days to Friday. So how is it that Berlin responds or does not respond, and from Berlin we can go

directly to Brussels, to the threat and then the postponement of the threat? Good day to you, Judy.

Good day, John. And hello today's. Well, I think there's now a feeling in Berlin and among the political class and indeed the public

that nobody knows what Trump will say one day or the next day.

Firstly, secondly, I think they must feel vindicated that they never signed up and agreed to

President Trump's request to go and patrol the strait of Hormuz. One day, it might be

bombed or one day there might be peace. And it's very interesting that the chancellery now

sees Trump's back and forth, a bit like the first days of his plan

to negotiate a peace between Putin and President Zelensky of Ukraine, or we can get the

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