I'm John Batch with my good colleagues, Gordon Chang, my co-host, and Charles Burton, the author of The Beaver

and the Dragon, the story of the backstory so far, of the relationship between Ottawa and Beijing

over trade and national security. Charles is to testify, to commit, to present to the parliament, what can go wrong and why,

with the present intention of the Carney government to increase trade, or at least rhetorically

increased trade relations between Arwen and Beijing. Charles, you had given very careful,

detailed reports of the Chinese influence peddling

and bad acting in Canada over many years.

I mentioned that it's routine now in the United States to capture Chinese nationals

who are working with the Ministry of State Security.

I say this because there's a Bloomberg video package that everybody can access now

about a young man graduating in university in China who was recruited at a job fair

by the Ministry of State Security.

And through the long and winding road, including lavishing him with $100 bills and extra treatment for his family,

he wound up in Chicago at a graduate program in aerospace engineering, because his intention was

to steal as much as he could find, get a hold of of jet engine production by the U.S.

Apparently China's opinion is that it's very poor at it and the U.S. is good at it, despite their theft and reverse engineering.

I tell that story quickly because it's going on all the time. It's business as

usual. Does Mr. Carney speak to that fact, something that's been established in his parliament for

some time? In the election campaign, Mr. Carney did identify China as the greatest threat to Canadian security

and sovereignty. Subsequently, he's done a severe reversal. Two years ago, Canada developed

what they call the Indo-Pacific strategy. And in that document, they identified China as an increasingly disruptive power, increasingly

disruptive power.

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