S8 Ep370: Leila Philip describes how a flow device installed by Mike Callahan saved an Audubon sanctuary pond during Hurricane Ida, proving that coexistence strategies are often more cost-effective than repairing flood damage. She concludes by emphasizing beavers a
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🗓️ 26 January 2026
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- Leila Philip describes how a flow device installed by Mike Callahan saved an Audubon sanctuary pond during Hurricane Ida, proving that coexistence strategies are often more cost-effective than repairing flood damage. She concludes by emphasizing beavers as agents of hope, noting their wetlands store vast amounts of carbon and provide critical resilience against droughts and floods.
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| 0:00.0 | I'm John Bachelor, Professor Lila Philip. Her book is Beaverland, how one weird rodent made America. |
| 0:10.5 | Two huge rainstorms and then a hurricane named Nida. We're now at a Edwin Way-Teele's sanctuary for he's a naturalist who's left us but behind is a sanctuary for all manner |
| 0:24.0 | of creatures including beavers and one day the beaver dam that is constructed series of beaver |
| 0:30.0 | dams but the big one is breached and the flood waters pour into the neighborhood and the phones |
| 0:36.4 | start ringing and there is a solution, and we call upon |
| 0:40.5 | Mike Callahan of beaver solutions. And what is the solution, Professor? What does it look like |
| 0:46.5 | when we don't have enough beavers, and we have to deal with climate change upon us? |
| 0:51.3 | Well, this is a really interesting example of where just the director of that local |
| 0:59.3 | Audubon, Sarah Hemingway, was educated about beavers and she understood their value in bringing |
| 1:06.5 | water and biodiversity. She knew that particular spot, in particular, is a migratory stopover for a |
| 1:13.3 | lot of important migratory birds. She also had been watching the water. And so when people |
| 1:20.1 | were calling up and saying, you've got to kill the beavers because this is too dangerous, I mean, |
| 1:24.6 | it was dangerous. Nine million gallons of water came out of that breached |
| 1:29.5 | dam, you know, overnight. The caretaker said it sounded like a train had gone through the forest. |
| 1:35.8 | So this can happen. And instead of trapping out the beaver and breaking the dam and taking the pond apart, she called |
| 1:46.8 | this company Beaver Solutions where they specialize in putting in what are called flow devices. |
| 1:53.9 | So what they basically did, I watched them, they put a 40 foot pipe through the dam. |
| 1:59.9 | They've figured out that if they put this pipe 40 feet out, if the inlet is 40 feet from |
| 2:05.5 | the dam, the beavers don't stop it, try to stop it up with sticks. |
| 2:10.2 | They put a cage around the end. |
| 2:12.4 | So the beavers, even if no animals get in, et cetera, they know exactly how to do this. |
| 2:17.3 | So it works. They have a very, very high success rate. They know exactly how to do this so it works. |
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