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S8 Ep370: Leila Philip at the Hubbard Brook watershed discusses how beavers act as a keystone species that aids environmental recovery, challenging the necessity of lethal culling given modern non-lethal management options. She notes that beaver complexes actually

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John Batchelor

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🗓️ 26 January 2026

⏱️ 12 minutes

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Leila Philip at the Hubbard Brook watershed discusses how beavers act as a keystone species that aids environmental recovery, challenging the necessity of lethal culling given modern non-lethal management options. She notes that beaver complexes actually increase trout and salmon populations and provide millions of dollars in free ecosystem engineering services.1892

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0:00.0

I'm John Batchel with Professor Lila Philip of the College of Holy Cross.

0:08.9

Her new book is Beaverland, How One Weird Rodent Made America.

0:12.9

The science of beavers is the science of geomorphology, effluvial geomorphology.

0:19.2

I don't say it fast.

0:23.3

That is, watching how rivers shape the land,

0:28.2

watching how land reacts to the river system. And we've learned from Professor Philip,

0:35.5

and she's learned from other researchers, that a river is a complexity of low-flowing water,

0:46.4

which can be in drought or can be in flood, the wetlands, what looks like a swamp or a marsh, and the meadow that is emerging from the swamp and the marsh.

0:58.2

The beaver manages all of that. And we go now to the White Mountains because Professor Birchstead did her work there 10 years before. And this is a 7800 acre experimental forest that Lila Philip traveled to. The part that got my attention was

1:05.6

sawgrass is a way of keeping people out in order for the animals to prosper.

1:11.3

I thought, you know, we don't need to go back 100 years for Indian legends.

1:14.8

We can make them up on our own.

1:16.6

So what does the forest look like, Professor?

1:19.4

Well, what was interesting to me, and it was such a privilege to go up there with

1:23.7

Dr. Berksdett and Dr. Bailey.

1:25.7

I mean, these are really such committed researchers

1:28.9

and they've done significant work. And also, I should mention about the Hubbard Brook watershed.

1:36.2

This is where acid rain was discovered. This is a really important, it's a long-term ecological research center. It's a tremendously important

1:49.0

place. And so it was at this place doing watershed studies that scientists discovered that

1:57.6

acid rain existed, and it's where they discovered the detrimental impacts of acid rain.

2:04.7

So it would have a historically incredibly important role in the clean water and clean air acts

2:13.1

and the health of our environments going forward.

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