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with Indeed. This is John Batchel. Later this week, I speak with Professor Richard Carwady of Oxford University.

His new book is Righteous Strife, How Warring Religious Nationalists Forge Lincoln's Union.

Here's a small piece of it in which I asked the professor about Lincoln's fast day, his first fast day,

in which the deeply religious abstained from eating all day long and prayed for deliverance for the nation.

The first fast day, there were others, for Lincoln was September 26, 1861.

And I asked the professor, well, you'll hear it here.

Much more of this later in the week.

A two-hour conversation with Professor Richard Carwoodine, Righteous Strife.

These are the pulpits that fought the war also, dueling pulpits, not just one side

of the other, all sides. And Lincoln listened to all of them, always. Much more of this later.

Here's Richard Carwadine answering my question about the first fast day.

Professor, to interrupt, Lincoln, was he satisfied with the results of his fast day,

September 26, 1861?

Did it achieve what he imagined it would?

We have about a minute.

What a good question, and I wish I knew the answer.

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