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with Indeed. This is John Batchel, speaking with Professor Richard Carwedeen,

Emeritus Regis Professor of History at Oxford University.

His new book, Righteous Strife, about Abraham Lincoln and the pulpits of the Civil War,

the subtitle, How Warring Religious Nationalists Forged Lincoln's Union,

the early days of the war, the pulpits were highly, highly, highly angry and critical of Lincoln.

And the professor explains why, and what they wanted Lincoln to do

and what he resisted early on.

There's much more of this coming. This is the first of a two-hour conversation.

Richard Carwardine, righteous strife, how warring religious nationalist forged Lincoln's

Union.

The war was won on the battlefield,

but the peace was won at the pulpits.

And Lincoln knew it, and he paid a great deal of attention to those pulpits.

He needed to not only win the war, but also knit the country together again.

Much more of this.

Well, I think the result was the same.

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