S8 Ep319: The Collapse of the Chinese Real Estate Market and Economic Stagnation. Guests: ANNE STEVENSON-YANG and GORDON CHANG. China's property sector faces a permanent downturn, with prices dropping 30–60% and enough vacant apartments to house billions. The gover
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John Batchelor
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🗓️ 15 January 2026
⏱️ 11 minutes
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| 0:00.0 | I'm John Batchel with my good friend and colleague Gordon Chang at Gordon G. Chang, attending to the Chinese property crater. |
| 0:25.0 | You have heard that the Chinese real estate market is troubled. |
| 0:28.5 | That is an understatement, polite understatement. |
| 0:31.7 | There's no expectation whatsoever of recovery. |
| 0:34.5 | However, there are headlines that point to hope being the only strategy |
| 0:40.2 | that makes sense at this point. And we welcome Anne Stevenson Yang, the author of The Wild Ride, |
| 0:47.1 | a book I highly recommend to tell the whole story of the Chinese miracle, which sometimes can |
| 0:52.3 | look like a Chinese Ponzi scheme, especially when you look |
| 0:55.4 | at real estate. But we do look at real estate now because the headline in CNBC, dutifully, |
| 1:03.2 | hopes rise for Chinese property support ahead of Key March meeting. And this point made by the report by Evelyn Chang. |
| 1:13.6 | China's Communist Party Journal published a rare article on January 1st, outlining the need |
| 1:18.6 | to increase real estate sector support. |
| 1:22.8 | And a very good evening to you. |
| 1:24.9 | Thank you for this. |
| 1:25.9 | What do you make of this idea of hope for the real |
| 1:28.8 | estate crater that was developed purposely by the municipal banks and the central banks, |
| 1:34.7 | and that makes Japanification look like a success? Good evening to you. Good evening, John. Oh, |
| 1:40.9 | it's so boring to have this come up again, and it's so just not going to happen in any possible way. |
| 1:47.8 | I'll give you one one interesting thing that I just heard from a friend who was traveling in China and inquiring about a lot of property prices. |
| 1:55.8 | And it rings true with what I've heard from my friends there. Officially, property prices have dropped 5.2% in China. |
| 2:04.1 | What people say is that they can't sell their property for more than 30% under the |
| 2:10.7 | price that they bought it at in the big cities and more like 50 to 60 in the tier two cities. |
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