S8 Ep319: Pakistan's $1.5 Billion Arms Deal with Sudan and China's Strategic Influence. Guests: RICK FISHER and GORDON CHANG. Pakistan is nearing a deal to supply jets and drones to Sudan, likely funded by Saudi Arabia. China uses these transactions to establish al
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🗓️ 15 January 2026
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| 0:00.0 | I'm John Bachelor with Gordon Chang, my colleague and friend, and we're joined by our colleague |
| 0:21.6 | Rick Fisher of the International Assessment and Strategy Center to help us interpret a headline |
| 0:27.1 | in these last days that points to arms race in a desperate part of the world, Sudan, on the Nile |
| 0:36.4 | River Valley. But at the same time, part of an ongoing |
| 0:40.1 | civil war that has ripped apart the region and spills into Ethiopia, to Egypt, into the whole |
| 0:46.5 | horn of Africa. Rick, a very good evening to you. The headline is, Pakistan nears $1.5 billion deal to supply weapons and jets to Sudan. |
| 0:58.5 | How to interpret this? Is this fresh information? Does this help Pakistan in some fashion to arm rebel groups in Africa? |
| 1:07.9 | What does this mean about the Nile River Valley? Is it getting worse, not better? |
| 1:13.2 | Good evening to you, Rick. |
| 1:15.2 | Good evening, John. Good evening, Gordon. Definitely, John. This means that the war in Sudan is about |
| 1:23.6 | to get worse, and that behind all the veils, what we're seeing is China using Pakistan |
| 1:35.7 | to arm Saudi Arabia to help China create an alternative security structure in the Middle East to either strengthen |
| 1:49.6 | if the Iran regime survives or to supplant its power and influence in Iran should the Mullah |
| 1:59.3 | regime fade away in the very near future. |
| 2:03.4 | There are two major arms deals that China is behind going from Pakistan to Saudi Arabia. |
| 2:13.8 | The first and most controversial would be the sale to Sudan, arming the Sudan army. |
| 2:22.1 | But there's a second larger arms package of Pakistani Chinese JF17 fighters that could go from |
| 2:32.0 | Pakistan to Saudi Arabia, |
| 2:35.0 | strengthening the alliance between Pakistan and Saudi Arabia |
| 2:40.0 | established last September 17. |
| 2:44.0 | Gordon, you have a comment and question about, |
| 2:46.7 | for Rick, about this very large arms deal for Sudan. |
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